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Topic: One Library universal database
 
发表时间 7 hours ago
If it's indeed the same, then Device Library Plus is indeed already automatically created/updated when using CDJ Export
 
Interesting to see how the Djay Pro "Fluid Beatgrid" analysis carries over to a CDJ...

Of course it would be best if VDJ could do similar analysis itself, but the ability to import these into VDJ would be better than nothing.
 
 
Marie-Chantal wrote :
VirtualDJ CDJ export already does it

OneLibrary is about more than just exporting to CDJ.

It's about import and export to/from any platform from/to any other.

Right now we cannot directly transfer between Djay Pro, Engine & VDJ (etc).
 
groovindj wrote :
OneLibrary is about more than just exporting to CDJ.

It's about import and export to/from any platform from/to any other.

I'm not sure how you concluded that.
That's wishful thinking, but IMHO all this buzz about "One Library" is just a marketing way to say that now DJay Pro and later Traktor 4 will be able to export tracks to USB drives compatible with Pioneer gear.

Look at their own FAQ:



Quote :
OneLibrary standardizes specifications, allowing libraries exported to USB storage devices to be browsed by compatible software. However, full compatibility between different software applications isn’t guaranteed.


And

Quote :
Playlists, music files, cue points, beatgrid information, music waveforms, etc. will be exported. Specifications may differ depending on the software application, so please check the company’s website for details.


IMHO if AlphaTheta REALLY wanted to go that way, they should make it an OPEN format. Not proprietary like it is right now.

PS: You would think that for such bold claims to stand any scrutiny you should have at least ONE other hardware manufacturer (except Pioneer/AlphaTheta themselves) support this, or be expected to support this, really soon, no ?
Or at least have their closest "friend" Serato support it at day one of the announcement.
So IMHO it's just another marketing trick.
 
It's not just me concluding it - Quoting Mojaxx "your music is now completely portable across the different platforms involved" and that they "all now share the same library format". DJ Angelo effectively saying the same thing in the official Algoriddim video.
 
Ok. But I choose to trust the official announcement, documentation, website and FAQ more than what Mojaxx said. :)

Sure, DJay and LATER Traktor 4 will be able to export USB drives by using the Pioneer format.
And sure you'll be able to read those USB drives with DJay or Traktor as you can also do right now with VirtualDJ
However that doesn't make the library really "portable" or "shared" between all those applications.
More importantly if you think that DJay for instance will be able to extract it's "fluid" beatgrid in a way that's readable by CDJ3000 or Opus-Quad or XDJ-AZ I'm afraid you will be disappointed.

Also I wouldn't hold my breath that inMusic (Denon) would jump to support this format on Engine OS either.

So.. let each one make it's own conclusions! :)
 
BTW: Pioneer / AlphaTheta surely knows that VirtualDJ can read and write USB drives on their new format already.

However they did not reach out to us, nor they mentioned that their new library format is supported by us.

This should tell you something: That it's more about a marketing spin than a true attempt to make a new global library format.
Also, if they really wanted to make a "global format" they would try to have Serato support it at day one as well, or at least "soon enough"
But unlikely Traktor that WILL support this at some point in the future, Serato is not mentioned as well.

:)
 
I think the way most people are seeing it is a step in the right direction. I don't think it really matters to most DJs what the "mother" database format is, as long as it allows cross compatibility.

In the past, people used iTunes as their mother database because DJ software generally could import from iTunes, allowing a degree of cross compatibility. If it's going to be OneLibrary now, fair enough if it gives us that freedom.

As demonstrated in the video, a track exported from Djay Pro can be played on the CDJ-3000X with fluid beatgrid analysis intact, which implies that Rekordbox understands those grids - so in theory when VDJ imports from Rekordbox, those grids should also carry over.

If not, why not?
 
I don't have an issue with what the "mother" database format is.

What I'm saying is that IN MY HONEST PERSONAL OPINION people should keep their expectations low.

Yes, you'll be able to "share" the contents of a USB drive between 3-4 applications (fourth being VirtualDJ right out the box without even be mentioned, and third -Traktor- coming "in the coming months") and 4 pieces of gear.

That's quite a far cry from "one library that unites all software and gear"

And let's be honest. Most people right now will want to share their library (not their USB drives) between Pioneer gear, Rekordbox DJ and Serato DJ (which at the moment is absent)
Also a lot of people will want to share their USB drives between Pioneer and Denon units which also is not possible at the moment.

That's why I personally don't see this as nothing more than a marketing fanfare
 
I think based on the announcement and what Mojaxx has stated, this is currently what VirtualDJ already has done with the existing Rekordbox CDJ library format.
Can it be a universal library format in future? Most likely yes, but that's not what it is right now, so it's not correct to say that it is what iTunes/Music/DJCU is now.

I think that what this meant to be at this time answer to CDJ Export + usage.
Lets see how far its taken/it fast it moves towards what we would like to see it being (or if at all).
 
groovindj wrote :
As demonstrated in the video, a track exported from Djay Pro can be played on the CDJ-3000X with fluid beatgrid analysis intact, which implies that Rekordbox understands those grids - so in theory when VDJ imports from Rekordbox, those grids should also carry over.

If not, why not?

I have not seen the video. However I know how Pioneer gear deals with beatgrid, and it's not different than what ANY software does already. Meaning that a song's beatgrid consist of X amount of steady tempo parts.
This means that effectively DJay will have to write let's say 20 beatmarkers in a song, each one marking a part with different (steady) tempo. Also if my memory serves me correctly, there's a limit on how many beatmarkers a song can have.
So, it's quite possible that the "fluid" analysis you get on DJay does not (always) translate 1:1 on their CDJ export.

However, yes, if DJay exports 20 different beatmarkers for a song, for CDJs to use, VirtualDJ will be able to read them. There's no secret there.
 
Also, if this truly is a universal library format, they should make it an open standard so that everyone can benefit from it (other tools can use it for their specific needs), otherwise this is another gatekeeping attempt imo.
 
PhantomDeejay wrote :
IMHO if AlphaTheta REALLY wanted to go that way, they should make it an OPEN format. Not proprietary like it is right now.


DJ VinylTouch wrote :
Also, if this truly is a universal library format, they should make it an open standard so that everyone can benefit from it (other tools can use it for their specific needs), otherwise this is another gatekeeping attempt imo.


Exactly!
 
PhantomDeejay wrote :
groovindj wrote :
As demonstrated in the video, a track exported from Djay Pro can be played on the CDJ-3000X with fluid beatgrid analysis intact, which implies that Rekordbox understands those grids - so in theory when VDJ imports from Rekordbox, those grids should also carry over.

If not, why not?

I have not seen the video. However I know how Pioneer gear deals with beatgrid, and it's not different than what ANY software does already. Meaning that a song's beatgrid consist of X amount of steady tempo parts.
This means that effectively DJay will have to write let's say 20 beatmarkers in a song, each one marking a part with different (steady) tempo. Also if my memory serves me correctly, there's a limit on how many beatmarkers a song can have.
So, it's quite possible that the "fluid" analysis you get on DJay does not (always) translate 1:1 on their CDJ export.

However, yes, if DJay exports 20 different beatmarkers for a song, for CDJs to use, VirtualDJ will be able to read them. There's no secret there.


According to the video it can read the beat grids with no problems.

For me this isnt a big deal as VDJ already can export to USBs when I need to.

Nice try again Pioneer, smh.....
 
@thesoundinsurgent my take is all this is at current is a rebranding of the current Rekordbox Library name as OneLibrary. You can tell that's all it is based on the devices that support it, and because there was no firmware update required to get it to work on those devices.

As @PhantomDeejay already explained, everything just gets exported as multiple anchors. We actually gain then currently - we can already grid with DJay and import it to VirtualDJ now.

If I'm not mistaken, Prime/Engine gear already understands the Rekordbox library too, so I'm not sure why Mojaxx made it seem like that wasn't a thing (not sure Rekordbox export).
 
The real problem is that very few people know that VDJ basically invented this, and have had it in the software for at least 4 years
It's all I've ever used for exporting to my Numark MixStream Pro
 
The real issue to me is, given VirtualDJ already had this, why were they left out of the announcement?

Was the CDJ Export feature officially blessed by Pioneer/AlphaTheta or was it the result of a reverse engineer of the database format? (I know this one probably will go unanswered).

But regardless of the answers, it shows me that Algoriddim definitely has powerful ppl behind them for these kind of PR moves.
 
The part that "icks" me the most, is how everyone keeps saying this is a huge game changer LMAO!! Just stop it already!! This is not game changing stuff, yes it makes things easier but definitely not a "game changer" smh.......