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Topic: One Library universal database - Page: 2
Phil Morse talks over the plus points and the minus points:
 
Unfortunately, there are influential ppl being actively disingenuous as commentors under the video too.

This industry really seems to be made made by marketing/who you can get to speak on your behalf.
 
Interesting discussion.
I'd be happy to be able to export from VDJ to my Prime Go, rather than having to screw around with Engine (of which I'm not a fan).
I wish Denon (inMusic) had just licensed VDJ and used that instead of developing Engine.
 
Yes to both points. You can use the CDJ export which the Denon players will read but it's a bit of a faff about.
 
 
DJ VinylTouch wrote :
The real issue to me is, given VirtualDJ already had this, why were they left out of the announcement?
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According to someone that works there, it was and is an “unofficial hack” and not done the way they wanted I guess so VDJ doesn’t count 🤷🏾‍♂️
 
Hot Cues!

I'd like a simple system for setting hot cues using VDJ (my main software), and then export the tracks and hot cues to my Denon devices and to Algoriddim Djay Pro running on an Android tablet.
 
the SOUND INSURGENT wrote :
DJ VinylTouch wrote :
The real issue to me is, given VirtualDJ already had this, why were they left out of the announcement?
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According to someone that works there, it was and is an “unofficial hack” and not done the way they wanted I guess so VDJ doesn’t count 🤷🏾‍♂️



Where is the link to that comment?
They could have easily sent a cease and desist as it was marketed as a proper feature (there is a promotional video for it on VirtualDJ youtube page) for VirtualDJ and they work with Atomix on other things such as support of their own hardware.

"Industry wide partnership" etc is just rhetoric to say we blessed these vendors with using our format specifics and not others.

DJCU, Lexicon, Etc are all hacks too then - they just didn't come out with a promo video about it/are a business in the fields of general DJ software.
 
Also MixMasterG confirmed (and as @PhantomDeejay already said) that OneLibrary (as it exists currently, this can change in future) is just a rebrand of the newer library - Device Library Plus



It only makes sense - current hardware already works with it without a firmware upgrade...that could really only be possible if, it was a really a new format, the firmware already had the functionality to understand it since at least the last firmware release of the hardware or it's the same library format.
 
 
So... the "One" library to rule them all must be licensed!
Cool! At leasts the masks have fallen.. :)
 
the SOUND INSURGENT wrote :
@DJVinylTouch its here in the comments, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJQQlCro7YU&lc=UgzCc9hliBqy3RzC06l4AaABAg.AOYGxJlbINrAOZ09Znng19


I see. Not much to see there - one set of providers got the blessing the others have to ask and/or wait for it 🤷🏾‍♂️.

Btw this was one of the most requested features of current time on their forums, and it's was well known on that post that it already works across here. I guess they have to give appearance of forefront (stems implementation had the same debut) so it happened this way.
 
 
kradcliffe wrote :
https://www.digitaldjtips.com/alphatheta-onelibrary-5-things-you-need-to-know/


Wow. It 's been, I don't know, literally AGES since the last time I agreed with something Phill wrote.
Well said in this case though.
 
Yeah pretty spot on to be fair.
 
DJ VinylTouch wrote :
The real issue to me is, given VirtualDJ already had this, why were they left out of the announcement?

It hasn't really been left out. It was in the release notes, and there was an official tutorial on it 4 years ago:


DJ VinylTouch wrote :
Was the CDJ Export feature officially blessed by Pioneer/AlphaTheta or was it the result of a reverse engineer of the database format? (I know this one probably will go unanswered).

Maybe not an official response, but there is no doubt in my mind that it was at least partly reverse engineered. It's a readable format after all

DJ VinylTouch wrote :

But regardless of the answers, it shows me that Algoriddim definitely has powerful ppl behind them for these kind of PR moves.

There is no doubt that they have that :)
 
For me - and it's just a personal opinion - it's a nice Marketing move from Alphatheta, saying .. "Hey DJAY, Traktor users , you can still buy standalone gear from us and have your Playlists running"
Trust me, if they didnt care about their hardware, they wouldnt bother to move towards a "unified" way of Music Library.
If they really meant that, Serato would have jumped in and most important, they would have opened some internal discussion about what Library is prerfoming better, so that we can all follow. Unless you think their One/Plus is the faster :P
 
@klausemogensen I'll be honest here
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klausmogensen wrote :

It hasn't really been left out. It was in the release notes, and there was an official tutorial on it 4 years ago:


Yep I knew about the tutorial - I was over the moon excited when I saw it. When I say left out, I meant left out of the OneLibrary supported talk.

This is the reality:

  1. The Device Library/Device Library Plus format/layout was always available for understanding, one just had to look in the right place.
  2. Many people figured this out and made their own tools to understand it and make their modifications from it

    Rekordbuddy was the first official, publicly released tool I can think of that attempted to do that + read the other library formats, unify them under their own library format and then worked on syncing changes to/from their format to the various software formats.

    DJCU, Lexicon and VirtualDJ naturally followed later, largely doing the same thing but keeping up to date with database changes, while dev of Rekordbuddy stopped (it was open sourced but the code was quickly pulled, most likely by DJ software vendor request).

    Even Engine devices understand the format (the worse case for them hardware wise)

  3. AlphaTheta/Pioneer never liked this

    This is the key, because it gives users a reason to not use/depend on their ecosystem. However they couldn't stop it without hurting themselves - their standalone hardware already depended on it, as well as other influential DJs. So they unwillingly allowed it, but never endorsed it, always desiring a way to get things back in their favor.
  4. Based on 3, this gets things back in their favor.

    This is because they can treat OneDrive as a licenced certification (most likely with pay), much like what they do with their Club Setup support certification.
    In this way they get reap the benefits from competitors (knowing their hardware is dominant in the market), keeping everything largely the same, while pretending to be "open" (give it a name with Open in it and get influential people to endorse it).

    They can also force the existing solutions into the ecosystem by claiming their implementation is "a hack" or "not guaranteed to work" or "not official" or some other similar term, even though nothing has changed and they work 100% (DJCU, Lexicon, etc).
    Even more underhand things can happen (e.g. changing the format again to something even more locked down).
    They also force InMusic/Denon into the licencing through use of the "open" marketing, even though their devices already understand the format (the average DJ doesn't see their name under "certified" and assume it doesn't work).

    All competitors get from this is the ability to be called "certified/official"on their website/in their marketing, which most regular DJs would depend on for their choices (they said it's certified, and its their hardware, so it must work).


Truly fair and open standards negotiation doesn't select some players and not others to be at the table - they tell everyone of influence in the space about it, give them a chance to have input on it, and ultimately publish that standard publicly for all willing to use and understand.