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Ok had a serato dj user at my crib and we were jamming out on VDJ8. He was surprized at the response and sound. Every routine he went vdj8 held tight, then came a song where the beatgrid was off, then came the laughter . "you gotta stop the track to set downbeat?" "damn you gotta open a different window to edit the grid?" "you might as well go back to cdj's" "with all these upgrades you still dealing with an elementary workflow, not for the DJ that likes to do things on the fly" I couldnt do anything or say anything, because he was right. I was trying to convert him it was all good until he had to edit things, well that turn him right off. Almost had him...
 
发表时间 Sun 01 Jun 14 @ 5:13 pm
On the fly, use the custom buttons.

adjust_cbg +0.01

adjust_cbg -0.01

Setting the down beat should really be just a single click/button on the fly, I might even put the request in the wish list.
 
The problem is not the software, but the user.

Cbg's are like training wheels on a bike - good to use of you are a beginning dj and can't tell by ear if your mix is off. But like a bike once you get your balance you don't need training wheels - the same for cbg's - you should get to the point where this prop is not needed to execute a mix properly.
 
True but the CGB is what sync'd effects work from. It's more than just a one trick pony.
 
Yup you also need them for samples as well. But like Loco said this can all be done on the fly.
 
But the post did not mention synced effects.. it talked about mixing..

The same principle apples to sync - you still need to tell by ear if your mix is off because sometimes the sync is not correct - and you will have to adjust by ear..

It might depend of the type of effects you use, because I have never had to adjust a cbg for an effect to sound proper..
 
Right it does depend on the effect you use.

What program was he comparing VDJ to??
 
xgl_dj wrote :
But the post did not mention synced effects.. it talked about mixing..

The same principle apples to sync - you still need to tell by ear if your mix is off because sometimes the sync is not correct - and you will have to adjust by ear..

It might depend of the type of effects you use, because I have never had to adjust a cbg for an effect to sound proper..


We were practicing scratch and backspins and juggles. And everybody talking mix by ear, i do, but what wrong with wanting something to work properly. And being my goto effects are loopout, echoout and loops and would like them to come out right. So the beatgrid is important to me. Not for sync, i dont even have a mapping to sync my sync button on my controller and mixer are remapped to Beat tap. "To correct wrong bpm and cbg which I cant do unless the track is paused"




Mix by ear, ok
 
You showing yourself up - I am just going by what you posted.
Scratches and backspins and juggles - go by hand, eye and ear coordination - not cbg reliance.

Plus the track does not have to be stopped to correct the bpm - just click on bpm and change it to whatever value you want - this can be done while the track is still playing..
 
xgl_dj wrote :
You showing yourself up - I am just going by what you posted.
Scratches and backspins and juggles - go by hand, eye and ear coordination - not cbg reliance.

Plus the track does not have to be stopped to correct the bpm - just click on bpm and change it to whatever value you want - this can be done while the track is still playing..


Showing myself up, no but lets make it more clear, when my people was here we were practicing cuts and the like. Okay. Now as any dj when your playing with something new he started to deal with certain functions he would use if he was gigging and noticed these things i mentioned. Okay. Now when i said using the beat grid its because the effects i use are cbg dependent loopout which i do use in juggles Echoout i use during gigs loops i use doing both. Now as i really dont wanna touch my laptop because all my controls are on my mixer and controller, with version7 i could beattap in a correct tempo and the CBG would reflect that or if the downbeat was the only thing off all i had to was tap the beat-tap button and it would correct on the fly...so now why do i have to open a window to do these things. Now when you tap in the bpm it doesnt register to the cbg until the track is stop. then you have to stop the track to tap the down beat . now if you mousing around maybe a d.a.w. style editing is ok for you but 40 seconds between transitions might not give me time to go through all those keystrokes so that loopout sounds the way intended it to sound. Tapping it didnt take but a couple seconds. But i must admit V8 makes loopout and echoout work so different from v8. Using percents in the parameters made a big difference now i love that, it gives more control of the effect. So before the blast attempt make sure you understand my point.


Also so like to say sometimes it saves the corrections but there been many many times the next time i correct a track and I load it again it back to the wrong bpm and cbg.
 
For now, use what you are comfortable with..

You will look back one day and say oh yeah I get it now..
 
sounds like your friend went in with a closed mind and didnt want to be sold on vdj to begin with, this is common, my friend has tractor and i tried showing him vdj and all he did was look for a bad part and say na its not for me. all programs have a bad part but the open minded person will say how can i use this program to better myself
 
I think is the thing with VDJ is it's not as easy as some other programs but it's way more powerful then most. Yes, there a learning curve when it comes to VDJ script but once you get your mind wrapped around it, GAME OVER!!
 
+ 1 for comments about being open-minded.

Even if VDJ9 is released some DJs loyal to their softwares wouldn't even care looking into it.
Same thing the other way around, a VDJ loyal who just bought a new NS7II, SX or SZ with plug & play functions with Serato DJ will still look/ask for a mapper with VDJ.

Aside from being an open-minded, there are some us who are curious (myself included), who will try all the popular DJ softwares to compare and choose what to use according to set type of event, up requirement, and and of course confortablity.
 
I will say on this topic i agree with my friend. I love my choice in software and i even take the put downs laughs and snickers, but i agree with him. What was funny about the whole thing is his thoughts were the same thoughts i posted before about the cbg. I really think the dev team notices this and are working on it. I say this cause no dev teamer ever responds only users and forum mods. So i really think its a bug that they are working on...
 
A dev team reply is just around the corner, Atomix would tell you which decade but they don't announce deadlines.

(dad & norman excluded)
 
Djratedxxx919 wrote :
I will say on this topic i agree with my friend. I love my choice in software and i even take the put downs laughs and snickers, but i agree with him. What was funny about the whole thing is his thoughts were the same thoughts i posted before about the cbg. I really think the dev team notices this and are working on it. I say this cause no dev teamer ever responds only users and forum mods. So i really think its a bug that they are working on...


I don't know who else is a programmer on the vdj, site - but I know Adion is one of them and he sometimes posts in the bugs section.

But you posted an opinion of how you think the software should work - aka - you should not have to stop the track to edit cbg - but this is not a bug, but a design choice - so not much for the dev team to respond to..
 
It is also wrong. Most of the errors in the bpm detection can be manually corrected while the track is playing by tapping 4 beats with the tap button, starting at the down-beat.
This will correct the down-beat, and will also fix problems such as bpm detected 2x too high or 2x too low, or often fix the bpm if the detected value was not correct at all.

By tapping only 4 times, VDJ still uses the information gathered while analyzing the song, so it does not have to be as accurate as you would be used to when manually tapping bpm.
 
Thanks for the reply,

Good to know, but most often the only error is alignment so we're used to using the single tap, (does single tap whilst playing actually work because visually nothing changes?)
 
locodog wrote :
Thanks for the reply,

Good to know, but most often the only error is alignment so we're used to using the single tap, (does single tap whilst playing actually work because visually nothing changes?)


this is exactly what I mean...I may have worded it wrong..
 
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