Tear Em 'Up
...today in Beverly Hills California......
strap in my fellow Americans....
strap in my fellow Americans....
发表时间 Sun 25 May 08 @ 1:09 pm
DJ-ALF
Yep, same here in Serbia, a gas price is highest ever!
I see that we will drive more bicycles and skateboards ;)
I see that we will drive more bicycles and skateboards ;)
发表时间 Sun 25 May 08 @ 1:25 pm
djderricke
Actually that is just about where it is here in the Chicago suburbs. In the city of Chicago it is higher! We pay more for gas than anyone else in the country. Boy I'm so proud. Not....
发表时间 Sun 25 May 08 @ 4:19 pm
Tear Em 'Up
djderricke wrote :
In the city of Chicago it is higher! We pay more for gas than anyone else in the country.
I know Derricke, we can thank Rod Blogo for that...when some member of the house recommended lifting the gas tax..he said after I get my hair spray...and left Springfield.....he has not been back since.
发表时间 Sun 25 May 08 @ 4:25 pm
Paulie_C
I saw $4.29gal between Chicago and Detroit around Kalamazoo Michigan.
Strap in hell. More like them strapping on and us bending over!
I am looking at many options these days. Buying a Cube Truck to haul the gear and getting a very economic car.
I go the motorcycle out this year and so far am doing ok. About 75mpg. Bad news is that I am moving out in the country and I am not real excited about riding down gravel roads on a bike!
I dunno. VW Golf or Jetta TDI is good for me. 45mpg hwy.
I think we all need to start learning from Gramma and Grandpa. Drive much much slower. I noticed in my pontiac transport I can get 34-37mpg at 52-56mph. Starting from a stop with moderate acceleration however drinks at 4-7mpg.
Strap in hell. More like them strapping on and us bending over!
I am looking at many options these days. Buying a Cube Truck to haul the gear and getting a very economic car.
I go the motorcycle out this year and so far am doing ok. About 75mpg. Bad news is that I am moving out in the country and I am not real excited about riding down gravel roads on a bike!
I dunno. VW Golf or Jetta TDI is good for me. 45mpg hwy.
I think we all need to start learning from Gramma and Grandpa. Drive much much slower. I noticed in my pontiac transport I can get 34-37mpg at 52-56mph. Starting from a stop with moderate acceleration however drinks at 4-7mpg.
发表时间 Sun 25 May 08 @ 4:47 pm
djderricke
Some other things to try in order to save gas:
Brake the right way
1. A car consumes most gas as it accelerates. It's a simply law of physics (force equals mass times acceleration). A moving car doesn't require much gasoline to keep moving (due to the inherent inertia). In real life this means, in order to improve your mileage you need to keep the ride smooth. Let me give you some examples.
About 30% of the drivers I see in somewhat heavy traffic apparently cannot control their speed with the accelerator pad alone. Instead I see those guys speed up and slam on the brakes all the time. Obviously, that makes the guy following too close behind very nervous and he too needs to brake and accelerate constantly. In really heavy (but still moving) traffic about 90% of the cars do this. It is relatively easy to hold a speed in a long line of cars without stepping on the brake. Just keep a little bit more distance and try to practice this. If the traffic moves along, you rarely need to brake, unless everything slows down. If you pay attention to the cars ahead of you (not just the one right in front of your nose, but the other cars ahead of that one), you can anticipate when things will slow down and you can ease off the gas. This means you won't lose all that power to friction (on the brakes) and you can keep your speed without having to accelerate. In heavy traffic this is the most efficient way to save gas and can easily get you 10% - 20% better gas mileage.
Hybrid drivers
2. If you own a hybrid powered car, the statement above applies even more to you. Try to avoid fast braking. Hybrid cars have the ability to convert braking power into electric energy and store them in their batteries. However this (induction) will only give yo so much braking power. If you need to decelerate faster, your brakes will engage and energy will be lost.
So the next time you are approaching a traffic light, start braking a lot sooner and don't slam on the brakes the last minute. This will significantly improve the efficiency of your hybrid car.
By starting to decelerate sooner, I can often avoid coming to a complete stop (regular car), before the traffic light switches to green and the cars in front of me start rolling. This way I can keep some of my inertia and don't have to accelerate as much (<- more gas saved).
Turn off your air conditioning (The jury is still out on this one, many people will debate the opposite)
3. This tip might be somewhat impractical in some areas. I would never dare to switch off the air condition of my car in Arizona in the Summer. However I also know that the compressor for the air conditioner loads the motor of my car more, which will reduce my fuel economy. I try not to use the air conditioner if I don't have to.
Park your car in the shade if you can, so you won't have to keep the AC working as hard when you go somewhere.
Roll down the windows just a tiny bit, so the air can circulate through your car while you are parked (might not be a good idea in areas with a high theft rate).
Turn off the AC 5 minutes before you reach your destination and don't keep it working until the last second.
Shifting Manual
4. A manual transmission is truly fantastic. I can only encourage everyone to try it out. You can pretty much determine if you want a sporty shifting (at higher RPM) or a fuel efficient shifting (at low RPM). No matter how "intelligent" automatic transmissions are, they aren't as smart as you. Due to the way an automatic transmission shifts, there are also higher losses associated with automatic transmissions. Overall a manual transmission can be a lot more fuel efficient.
If you have a manual transmission and want to save some gas, you need to shift up early and shift down late.
Most people get taught that they need to shift at a certain RPM, which is, excuse me, complete BS. You need to feel the car and the load condition to figure out when you need to shift. A car that goes uphill needs to pull a lot more and should be driven at a higher RPM (or else it jumps). On the other side, if you are gliding along an empty road, you can drive at extremely low RPM (high gear). Then if you want to accelerate (you need a bit more power), you quickly shift down, get up to speed and shift up again. I always shift by feeling the car and I rarely ever look at the RPM (except for my amusement or out of boredom, or if I really want to race and need to shift before the red line).
Shifting Automatic
5. If you have a cruise control and there isn't a whole lot of traffic, you probably should use it (it will keep the speed constant and hence doesn't need to accelerate).
6. Use the overdrive gears, as this will generally keep your RPM down and your wallet happy.
7. Shift into neutral when you are standing still to reduce transmission strain and cool off the transmission.
Reduce weight
8. Coming back to the force equals mass times acceleration. We already established that one shouldn't accelerate as much. You can also try to reduce the mass of your car by emptying out the trunk and removing heavy items that you don't need (keep your spare tire and car lift, but get rid of the gardening equipment).
Turn your car off
9. When you turn on a car, it uses a bit of gas. When the car is idling, it uses a fixed amount of gas over a period of time (especially with the AC on).
In most scenarios (depending on the car), the energy balance will be positive if you turn off your car for more then 20 seconds.
That means you can save gas if you turn off you car while waiting at long traffic light sequences, railroad crossings or while your better half pulls money from the ATM. Any time you can foresee that you will not be moving for more then 30s or 1minute you should turn off the engine to help your vacation budget.
Drive slower
10. Yeah right. Obviously thats not something I am all that fond off being the leadfoot driver I am. Well, it's a proven fact that driving fast will increase the drag (turbulence) and thus increase your fuel consumption, however I simply cannot bring myself to drive below the legal speed limit. It's your choice. There is not that much difference between 60mph and 65mph in terms of fuel consumption. However I grew up in Germany (no speed limits). A car racing along at its maximum speed of 200km/h (depending on the car), would consume about twice as much gas as if it were driven at 160km/h. At the upper end of the power spectrum engines become very inefficient.
Ride the slipstream
11. This driving technique has given me some excellent mileage when I used to commute long distance a long time ago. Obviously, it requires a bit of skill and it's not exactly recommended, since you should pay attention to the road and we all know, most people who read this just don't. However it is probably one of the best "secret" fuel saving tips I can give you.
This technique is frequently used by race car drivers to gain speed and truck convoys to save fuel.
Every car has a certain amount of drag (or wind resistance). This drag, the rolling resistance of your tires (see below under maintenance) and the friction in your engine are the three main causes of reduced efficiency. A car moving through the air causes the air to split around the car and turbulence behind the car (the slipstream). If you drive your car into another cars slipstream, both cars will save fuel (less turbulence). The following car saves the most gasoline.
Now remember, I am not advocating to tailgate. However, you can try to find a large truck (more turbulence and a longer slipstream tail) and slip in there. Now you can still keep some distance (unlike the NASCAR driver) and still save gas.
However, many people cannot regulate their speed without braking (see above). In this case you are probably better off just keeping your distance and not braking.
Close your windows
12. Believe it or not, but opening your windows will increase the turbulences and eventually cost you fuel. If you can, use only the ventilation system of your car. I cannot really gauge this against using the air conditioner. I believe that opening your windows at low speeds and using the air conditioner at high speeds gives you better fuel economy.
Fill up at Arco
13. Year after year Chevron and Shell are making new record earnings while squeezing the poor motorists for every penny. They advertise their expensive gasoline with buzzwords such as Techron, V-Power and some other BS words. Basically, that means they put some expensive stuff into the gas to sell it at a better profit. In fact, the gasoline of all gas stations flows through the same pipeline and the only difference is the magic stuff they poor into the gas to claim a cleaner burning fuel or better fuel efficiency. At the same time their average gas price is about 10c - 30c above other cheaper gas stations in the neighborhood. I can see no difference in my gas mileage when I empty a tank of Arco vs. a tank full off Techron enhanced souped-up high tech additive gas spritz. And if it cleans anything then certainly my wallet, which is all squeaky clean after filling up.
Well, I am tired of financing the billions of those mega empires. I am getting my gas at the Arco and I have never had any trouble with the quality. Of course you are free to throw your hard earned dollars at Chevron (pay 10% more and save 3% on their rebate cards - another scam to tie the customer to their high priced gas) or Shell in the hopes their magic bullet fuel additives do anything for you.
Now let me back up a second. Sometimes I actually go to Chevron to fill up. I put exactly 8 gallons into my tank so I qualify for a discount at the car wash.
14. When I am on the road, I try to keep an eye open for gas prices along the way. If I see the price jumping down, i usually fill up. Some gas stations offer free coffee with fill up or a free hot dog, and if their gas costs the same as the gas across the street, I go for the coffee with my gas.
Pick a better route
15. Avoid heavy traffic and lots of traffic lights. The shortest route is not always the most fuel efficient if you have to stop a lot.
Cheap Car maintenance
Why cheap car maintenance? I don't believe that spending a lot of money on fuel additives or special tires or whatever I see suggested elsewhere will really help you to improve your bottom line, and that's what this article is about. For instance I do not believe that your fuel economy suffers much if you change your oil every 5000 miles instead of 3000 miles (but it does save money not to change oil that often).
Pump it up
16. Inflate your tires to the specified level (I usually go about 0.2 PSI above). This will reduce the contact area of your tire to the road and therefore reduce the friction. It will help you to get a slightly improved gas mileage.
17. If you don't need Snow Tires or Chains, remove them. Don't drive around all summer with Snow Tires. They are softer and have a deeper profile which will increase friction.
Rent a smaller car
18. Remember that mass and acceleration equation? Well, a small car always has a better fuel economy due to its smaller mass. Smart budget travelers therefore rent smaller cars and don't care much about the status a shiny big car conveys. They rather indulge in a good drink at the end of the day (when they don't need to drive anymore) with all the gas money they saved. Their vacation pictures look just as glorious, but they still have pocket change for bigger prints.
Reduce drag
19. Why are you driving around with that ski-, bicycle- or luggage-rack on your roof if you don't need it? Didn't you know that this increases the wind resistance of your car? Well now you do. Seriously, removing those will save you quite a bit of gasoline.
Eco tuning
20. Chip tuning for your engine used to be pretty big way back when gas cost less then water. These days the buzzword is eco tuning. Many tuners offer replacement chips for your engine computer that increase the power while at the same time saving gas. How is this possible? Well to cut this already long article short, they improve both ends of the curve. At the upper end they give you more power (with reduced efficiency) and at the lower end a better efficiency. You choose with the gas pedal which mode to use. Make sure you use manufacturer approved tuners if you don't want to lose your warranty.
Use the correct grade of motor oil
21. The grade of the oil pretty much tells us about the viscosity. If you use the wrong grade, you may increase the friction in your engine. It gets hotter and uses more gas.
I got the above article from http://www.opentravelinfo.com/travel-guide/uncategorized/how-to-save-money-on-gas-29-tips.html
Brake the right way
1. A car consumes most gas as it accelerates. It's a simply law of physics (force equals mass times acceleration). A moving car doesn't require much gasoline to keep moving (due to the inherent inertia). In real life this means, in order to improve your mileage you need to keep the ride smooth. Let me give you some examples.
About 30% of the drivers I see in somewhat heavy traffic apparently cannot control their speed with the accelerator pad alone. Instead I see those guys speed up and slam on the brakes all the time. Obviously, that makes the guy following too close behind very nervous and he too needs to brake and accelerate constantly. In really heavy (but still moving) traffic about 90% of the cars do this. It is relatively easy to hold a speed in a long line of cars without stepping on the brake. Just keep a little bit more distance and try to practice this. If the traffic moves along, you rarely need to brake, unless everything slows down. If you pay attention to the cars ahead of you (not just the one right in front of your nose, but the other cars ahead of that one), you can anticipate when things will slow down and you can ease off the gas. This means you won't lose all that power to friction (on the brakes) and you can keep your speed without having to accelerate. In heavy traffic this is the most efficient way to save gas and can easily get you 10% - 20% better gas mileage.
Hybrid drivers
2. If you own a hybrid powered car, the statement above applies even more to you. Try to avoid fast braking. Hybrid cars have the ability to convert braking power into electric energy and store them in their batteries. However this (induction) will only give yo so much braking power. If you need to decelerate faster, your brakes will engage and energy will be lost.
So the next time you are approaching a traffic light, start braking a lot sooner and don't slam on the brakes the last minute. This will significantly improve the efficiency of your hybrid car.
By starting to decelerate sooner, I can often avoid coming to a complete stop (regular car), before the traffic light switches to green and the cars in front of me start rolling. This way I can keep some of my inertia and don't have to accelerate as much (<- more gas saved).
Turn off your air conditioning (The jury is still out on this one, many people will debate the opposite)
3. This tip might be somewhat impractical in some areas. I would never dare to switch off the air condition of my car in Arizona in the Summer. However I also know that the compressor for the air conditioner loads the motor of my car more, which will reduce my fuel economy. I try not to use the air conditioner if I don't have to.
Park your car in the shade if you can, so you won't have to keep the AC working as hard when you go somewhere.
Roll down the windows just a tiny bit, so the air can circulate through your car while you are parked (might not be a good idea in areas with a high theft rate).
Turn off the AC 5 minutes before you reach your destination and don't keep it working until the last second.
Shifting Manual
4. A manual transmission is truly fantastic. I can only encourage everyone to try it out. You can pretty much determine if you want a sporty shifting (at higher RPM) or a fuel efficient shifting (at low RPM). No matter how "intelligent" automatic transmissions are, they aren't as smart as you. Due to the way an automatic transmission shifts, there are also higher losses associated with automatic transmissions. Overall a manual transmission can be a lot more fuel efficient.
If you have a manual transmission and want to save some gas, you need to shift up early and shift down late.
Most people get taught that they need to shift at a certain RPM, which is, excuse me, complete BS. You need to feel the car and the load condition to figure out when you need to shift. A car that goes uphill needs to pull a lot more and should be driven at a higher RPM (or else it jumps). On the other side, if you are gliding along an empty road, you can drive at extremely low RPM (high gear). Then if you want to accelerate (you need a bit more power), you quickly shift down, get up to speed and shift up again. I always shift by feeling the car and I rarely ever look at the RPM (except for my amusement or out of boredom, or if I really want to race and need to shift before the red line).
Shifting Automatic
5. If you have a cruise control and there isn't a whole lot of traffic, you probably should use it (it will keep the speed constant and hence doesn't need to accelerate).
6. Use the overdrive gears, as this will generally keep your RPM down and your wallet happy.
7. Shift into neutral when you are standing still to reduce transmission strain and cool off the transmission.
Reduce weight
8. Coming back to the force equals mass times acceleration. We already established that one shouldn't accelerate as much. You can also try to reduce the mass of your car by emptying out the trunk and removing heavy items that you don't need (keep your spare tire and car lift, but get rid of the gardening equipment).
Turn your car off
9. When you turn on a car, it uses a bit of gas. When the car is idling, it uses a fixed amount of gas over a period of time (especially with the AC on).
In most scenarios (depending on the car), the energy balance will be positive if you turn off your car for more then 20 seconds.
That means you can save gas if you turn off you car while waiting at long traffic light sequences, railroad crossings or while your better half pulls money from the ATM. Any time you can foresee that you will not be moving for more then 30s or 1minute you should turn off the engine to help your vacation budget.
Drive slower
10. Yeah right. Obviously thats not something I am all that fond off being the leadfoot driver I am. Well, it's a proven fact that driving fast will increase the drag (turbulence) and thus increase your fuel consumption, however I simply cannot bring myself to drive below the legal speed limit. It's your choice. There is not that much difference between 60mph and 65mph in terms of fuel consumption. However I grew up in Germany (no speed limits). A car racing along at its maximum speed of 200km/h (depending on the car), would consume about twice as much gas as if it were driven at 160km/h. At the upper end of the power spectrum engines become very inefficient.
Ride the slipstream
11. This driving technique has given me some excellent mileage when I used to commute long distance a long time ago. Obviously, it requires a bit of skill and it's not exactly recommended, since you should pay attention to the road and we all know, most people who read this just don't. However it is probably one of the best "secret" fuel saving tips I can give you.
This technique is frequently used by race car drivers to gain speed and truck convoys to save fuel.
Every car has a certain amount of drag (or wind resistance). This drag, the rolling resistance of your tires (see below under maintenance) and the friction in your engine are the three main causes of reduced efficiency. A car moving through the air causes the air to split around the car and turbulence behind the car (the slipstream). If you drive your car into another cars slipstream, both cars will save fuel (less turbulence). The following car saves the most gasoline.
Now remember, I am not advocating to tailgate. However, you can try to find a large truck (more turbulence and a longer slipstream tail) and slip in there. Now you can still keep some distance (unlike the NASCAR driver) and still save gas.
However, many people cannot regulate their speed without braking (see above). In this case you are probably better off just keeping your distance and not braking.
Close your windows
12. Believe it or not, but opening your windows will increase the turbulences and eventually cost you fuel. If you can, use only the ventilation system of your car. I cannot really gauge this against using the air conditioner. I believe that opening your windows at low speeds and using the air conditioner at high speeds gives you better fuel economy.
Fill up at Arco
13. Year after year Chevron and Shell are making new record earnings while squeezing the poor motorists for every penny. They advertise their expensive gasoline with buzzwords such as Techron, V-Power and some other BS words. Basically, that means they put some expensive stuff into the gas to sell it at a better profit. In fact, the gasoline of all gas stations flows through the same pipeline and the only difference is the magic stuff they poor into the gas to claim a cleaner burning fuel or better fuel efficiency. At the same time their average gas price is about 10c - 30c above other cheaper gas stations in the neighborhood. I can see no difference in my gas mileage when I empty a tank of Arco vs. a tank full off Techron enhanced souped-up high tech additive gas spritz. And if it cleans anything then certainly my wallet, which is all squeaky clean after filling up.
Well, I am tired of financing the billions of those mega empires. I am getting my gas at the Arco and I have never had any trouble with the quality. Of course you are free to throw your hard earned dollars at Chevron (pay 10% more and save 3% on their rebate cards - another scam to tie the customer to their high priced gas) or Shell in the hopes their magic bullet fuel additives do anything for you.
Now let me back up a second. Sometimes I actually go to Chevron to fill up. I put exactly 8 gallons into my tank so I qualify for a discount at the car wash.
14. When I am on the road, I try to keep an eye open for gas prices along the way. If I see the price jumping down, i usually fill up. Some gas stations offer free coffee with fill up or a free hot dog, and if their gas costs the same as the gas across the street, I go for the coffee with my gas.
Pick a better route
15. Avoid heavy traffic and lots of traffic lights. The shortest route is not always the most fuel efficient if you have to stop a lot.
Cheap Car maintenance
Why cheap car maintenance? I don't believe that spending a lot of money on fuel additives or special tires or whatever I see suggested elsewhere will really help you to improve your bottom line, and that's what this article is about. For instance I do not believe that your fuel economy suffers much if you change your oil every 5000 miles instead of 3000 miles (but it does save money not to change oil that often).
Pump it up
16. Inflate your tires to the specified level (I usually go about 0.2 PSI above). This will reduce the contact area of your tire to the road and therefore reduce the friction. It will help you to get a slightly improved gas mileage.
17. If you don't need Snow Tires or Chains, remove them. Don't drive around all summer with Snow Tires. They are softer and have a deeper profile which will increase friction.
Rent a smaller car
18. Remember that mass and acceleration equation? Well, a small car always has a better fuel economy due to its smaller mass. Smart budget travelers therefore rent smaller cars and don't care much about the status a shiny big car conveys. They rather indulge in a good drink at the end of the day (when they don't need to drive anymore) with all the gas money they saved. Their vacation pictures look just as glorious, but they still have pocket change for bigger prints.
Reduce drag
19. Why are you driving around with that ski-, bicycle- or luggage-rack on your roof if you don't need it? Didn't you know that this increases the wind resistance of your car? Well now you do. Seriously, removing those will save you quite a bit of gasoline.
Eco tuning
20. Chip tuning for your engine used to be pretty big way back when gas cost less then water. These days the buzzword is eco tuning. Many tuners offer replacement chips for your engine computer that increase the power while at the same time saving gas. How is this possible? Well to cut this already long article short, they improve both ends of the curve. At the upper end they give you more power (with reduced efficiency) and at the lower end a better efficiency. You choose with the gas pedal which mode to use. Make sure you use manufacturer approved tuners if you don't want to lose your warranty.
Use the correct grade of motor oil
21. The grade of the oil pretty much tells us about the viscosity. If you use the wrong grade, you may increase the friction in your engine. It gets hotter and uses more gas.
I got the above article from http://www.opentravelinfo.com/travel-guide/uncategorized/how-to-save-money-on-gas-29-tips.html
发表时间 Sun 25 May 08 @ 5:17 pm
regular gas in my town was even a few cents more than that...we aren't really as high class as beverly hills but we are a little isolated.
发表时间 Sun 25 May 08 @ 8:30 pm
bigdaddy1969blue
^^ Just to correct something in your (copy &)post- Gasoline does not flow through pipelines. Oil does. Trucks haul gasoline. The volume of gasoline required to quench most countries/states/provinces' thirst cannot be placed under that amount of pressure in a pipeline. Crude oil/Bitumen requires much higher heat and pressure to ignite.
Also, not every brand of gas station has thier own refineries. They buy their gas at wholesale from whoevers' price is best that night. You can buy gas from any manufacturer if you buy enough.
And despite what many people think- oil companies can still make a profit even if oil drops to $8/bl.
Want the price of oil to go down? Tell all your stock market investing friends to lay of oil futures.
FYI
Also, not every brand of gas station has thier own refineries. They buy their gas at wholesale from whoevers' price is best that night. You can buy gas from any manufacturer if you buy enough.
And despite what many people think- oil companies can still make a profit even if oil drops to $8/bl.
Want the price of oil to go down? Tell all your stock market investing friends to lay of oil futures.
FYI
发表时间 Sun 25 May 08 @ 9:27 pm
Tear Em 'Up
bigdaddy1969blue wrote :
Want the price of oil to go down? Tell all your stock market investing friends to lay of oil futures.
Very, very rarely have truer words been posted here...its not about any wars, or any gouging.....its about commodity brokers and wanting their investments to pay off......
发表时间 Sun 25 May 08 @ 9:53 pm
vantinedj
Here in CT we are about $4.30 and the second highest state behind Alaska. Can't figure out why little CT is the 2nd highest state but have to pay it.
发表时间 Sun 25 May 08 @ 10:24 pm
lennyndegwa
Main menu - Derrick my friend, I agree with you on issues ranging from aerodynamics vis a vis - drag and also A/C, & 'some' transmission shift patterns esp in traffic jams( but not because of the explanation you gave) I don't know what hybrid cars you've driven but let me just ask you why you think a hybrid car turns itself off when you stop.....?(open-ended)..., you're lengthy 'thesis' on how to minimise gas consumption is more deceptive than helpful bro.......its funny because this is sort of like the global warming argument where both sides make perfect sense....
Drink - Ee'rrbody else.....I think it'll interest you all to know that I have a friend who owns a gas station here in the midwest( of course he's Indian - what did you think????)and he gives me a personal discount of 30 cents and as of today I paid $3.49......which leaves me wondering how much what everybody else is being charged actually reflects what really is going on (ummm......price gauging) and how a change in regime (sorry - I meant to say govt) would affect the price and those capitalising on Bush and his Co-horts.....(Don't let the begging for oil from the Crown Prince fool you)......Its just like the speech at the Knesset, what do they call it....a mirage? of course depending on your affiliation....sans any common sense - on that note:
Side Bar - It's interesting to note that I just learnt today that Bush had used the 25th amendment in 02 and handed pwr to DICK Cheney when he had his colonoscopy........makes you wonder how things would really be f'd up now eh ?....but oh well, my mountain bike is getting pretty good mileage as of now and since school is out, I don't have to visit my Indian friend that often, so good luck to you all..........................and rock on I guess.
Drink - Ee'rrbody else.....I think it'll interest you all to know that I have a friend who owns a gas station here in the midwest( of course he's Indian - what did you think????)and he gives me a personal discount of 30 cents and as of today I paid $3.49......which leaves me wondering how much what everybody else is being charged actually reflects what really is going on (ummm......price gauging) and how a change in regime (sorry - I meant to say govt) would affect the price and those capitalising on Bush and his Co-horts.....(Don't let the begging for oil from the Crown Prince fool you)......Its just like the speech at the Knesset, what do they call it....a mirage? of course depending on your affiliation....sans any common sense - on that note:
Side Bar - It's interesting to note that I just learnt today that Bush had used the 25th amendment in 02 and handed pwr to DICK Cheney when he had his colonoscopy........makes you wonder how things would really be f'd up now eh ?....but oh well, my mountain bike is getting pretty good mileage as of now and since school is out, I don't have to visit my Indian friend that often, so good luck to you all..........................and rock on I guess.
发表时间 Mon 26 May 08 @ 1:35 am
Pachtyman
Same here in Germany but the prices are much higher than in the USA.
I´ll take the the photo TearEmUp posted to give a comparison 4.99$ / gallon for Diesel
1 gallon = 3,785 liter in Germany
4.99$ = 3,17€
Current price for Diesel in Germany 1,50€ / liter
So if i want to get a gallon=3,785liter in germany I have to pay 5,68€
5,68€ = 8.96$ This is really crazy.
I´ll take the the photo TearEmUp posted to give a comparison 4.99$ / gallon for Diesel
1 gallon = 3,785 liter in Germany
4.99$ = 3,17€
Current price for Diesel in Germany 1,50€ / liter
So if i want to get a gallon=3,785liter in germany I have to pay 5,68€
5,68€ = 8.96$ This is really crazy.
发表时间 Mon 26 May 08 @ 1:40 am
Caliente123
Its so ridiculous that prices just keep going up for no reason. I found this link and if what i see is true.. i would like to get it...
Check out the videos..
http://www.onlysavingsolutions.com/voda.html
Check out the videos..
http://www.onlysavingsolutions.com/voda.html
发表时间 Mon 26 May 08 @ 10:30 pm
jimmy b
Caliente123 wrote :
Its so ridiculous that prices just keep going up for no reason.
I have a friend, who's old man run's a BP petrol station about 7 miles from where I live.
He explained this to me. In the UK at the moment Unleaded (don't what you guys call it in the states) is £1.13p a litre, thats about £4.25 a gallon ($8.50 US).
Out of that, the petrol company, in this case BP gets 42%, the owner/lease holder of the station gets 4%, and then the fcuking goverment take the rest, which in this case is 54%.
In the UK at the moment everybody is up in arms about this, if our Labour goverment, doesn't do anything about this. It will cause there downfall in the next general election, there heading that way already.
That's how strong people feel about this issue.
发表时间 Mon 26 May 08 @ 10:58 pm
Caliente123
Wow, that is crazy... I thought it was bad here but you have it worse. The gas prices are effecting everything. I work at the airport serving american ailines passengers. American is charging 25 dollars for the second bag.. Now im hearing that starting june 12th, the first bag will cost 15 dollars to check in. The reason for all this is because they are spending 9 billion a year compared to 2 to 3 billion a year a few years ago. many airlines are adding all types of cost they can think of
发表时间 Mon 26 May 08 @ 11:15 pm
djderricke
It IS crazy when you consider that the oil companies are turning BILLION dollar profits. Each year we are conditioned into paying higher prices. When will it end?
发表时间 Tue 27 May 08 @ 7:41 pm
jimmy b
djderricke wrote :
paying higher prices. When will it end?
It won't mate, the working man will always get screwed.
发表时间 Tue 27 May 08 @ 7:48 pm
DJ Cyder
ah the misinformed, its not the oil companies fault, our government crippled them. They are turning billion dollar profits because there and in a billion dollar industry you think its free to suck oil out of the ground refine it and ship it? You want cheap oil kill polar bears and you'll have it...
发表时间 Tue 27 May 08 @ 9:33 pm
DJ Cyder
Quote :
American is charging 25 dollars for the second bag.. Now im hearing that starting june 12th, the first bag will cost 15 dollars to check in. The reason for all this is because they are spending 9 billion a year compared to 2 to 3 billion a year a few years ago. many airlines are adding all types of cost they can think of
This is a problem in America but really the problem is with people, they think its their right to fly, and the airlines try to make everyone happy, if tickets were say 1600 bucks would anyone care about a 15 dollar bag charge? How much would ups charge you to move a 50 pound bag across the country in 5 hours? A hell of a lot more then 15 bucks. We are spoiled, we think its a right to fly when really its not. How much does jetA cost a gallon?
发表时间 Tue 27 May 08 @ 9:38 pm
Fault
How to be a mobile dj with ease with rasing gas prices.
Its simple, there is a vehicle which has been around for years that relies on virtually no gas what so ever! It runs clean, safe, and is very affordable. It was developed by Mexican engineers, to allow for not only efficiency, but style to. What is this AMAZING vehicle you ask? Heres a picture:
Its simple, there is a vehicle which has been around for years that relies on virtually no gas what so ever! It runs clean, safe, and is very affordable. It was developed by Mexican engineers, to allow for not only efficiency, but style to. What is this AMAZING vehicle you ask? Heres a picture:
发表时间 Tue 27 May 08 @ 9:43 pm
