Bren F
First point, I don't always jump to the conclusion that you are referring to Iraq, I said in my last post "If you are talking about Iraq, then you don't know what you're talking about", that means that if you are not talking about Iraq, then you might know what you're talking about, that is my understanding of the language I used.
Fighting the Nazis was not only a just cause, it was a needed cause if you were remain a free country, If Britain and Russia were occupied, the U.S would be next on the list, the problem was it took the U.S many years of watching before they worked this out, of course anyone is thankful for the support from the U.S in WW2, ever thankful, but the people who saved us then are not the same people sending troops to Afghanistan and Iraq today, they are quite a different bunch I assure you.
The argument is not about eradicating a race of people, it's about global upset and the killing of innocent civilians on a daily basis, it's no science, it's common sense to anyone who wants to see it, and this is an argument that can't be won.
发表时间 Tue 13 May 08 @ 5:18 am
Tear Em 'Up
Another huge difference, Bren, Nazi Germany was running over most of Europe un-abated. The majority of the United States people were saying we should stay out of it. What happens in Europe was not our business. Well we all know how that turned out. The United Nations allowed and encouraged several Nations to take actions in Afghanistan prior to 9-11-2001. Israel, the United States, England and Russia were all performing ops there before the attack on the World Trade Center. I do not see any other nations calling for anyone to take actions to stop the United States at this time. Essentially we are the same people who helped your country in the 1940s. We are their children, their grandchildren, their families. So it is yet another veiled insult when you make claims the U.S. is Nazi Germany in a different wrapper.
Do you recall the first war in Iraq? Where the Iraqis were flying their war planes into Iran to avoid them being captured by coalition forces? The United Nations was not getting any co-operation from the former government in Iraq? When Hans Blix was not being allowed access to everything he was asking to see? That war in Iraq? A couple of years after the United States invades suddenly Iran states openly they are working on fissionable material development and intend to create a nuclear weapon. Now, do you think this is pure coincidence? After 9-11 my nation was calling for justice. When the news media reported Iraq was not co-operating with the UN inspectors very few voiced any negative thoughts. Now 5 years+ after the fact it is very easy to point fingers and say shoulda, woulda, coulda. Here we call it being a Monday morning quarterback. (a football term) Please stop referring to the United States as Nazi Germany. Please stop looking for any, and every, opportunity too have this debate. Please stop assuming the worst when you think of my country.
Do you recall the first war in Iraq? Where the Iraqis were flying their war planes into Iran to avoid them being captured by coalition forces? The United Nations was not getting any co-operation from the former government in Iraq? When Hans Blix was not being allowed access to everything he was asking to see? That war in Iraq? A couple of years after the United States invades suddenly Iran states openly they are working on fissionable material development and intend to create a nuclear weapon. Now, do you think this is pure coincidence? After 9-11 my nation was calling for justice. When the news media reported Iraq was not co-operating with the UN inspectors very few voiced any negative thoughts. Now 5 years+ after the fact it is very easy to point fingers and say shoulda, woulda, coulda. Here we call it being a Monday morning quarterback. (a football term) Please stop referring to the United States as Nazi Germany. Please stop looking for any, and every, opportunity too have this debate. Please stop assuming the worst when you think of my country.
发表时间 Tue 13 May 08 @ 7:07 am
Bren F
"Another huge difference, Bren, Nazi Germany was running over most of Europe un-abated. The majority of the United States people were saying we should stay out of it. What happens in Europe was not our business. Well we all know how that turned out. The United Nations allowed and encouraged several Nations to take actions in Afghanistan prior to 9-11-2001. Israel, the United States, England and Russia were all performing ops there before the attack on the World Trade Center. I do not see any other nations calling for anyone to take actions to stop the United States at this time. Essentially we are the same people who helped your country in the 1940s. We are their children, their grandchildren, their families. So it is yet another veiled insult when you make claims the U.S. is Nazi Germany in a different wrapper."
Like I said, the U.S support in WW2 is something that people are eternally grateful for, but it's a known fact that the U.S got involved when Japan bombed pearl harbour (they then declared war on Japan, not Germany), but days later it was Germany that declared war on the U.S. The U.S was neutral up until this point, but they did provide the Allies with weapons and supplies (some were bombed by the Germans, killing U.S civilian workers), this was indeed a world war and the U.S was always going to be a central obstacle of the Nazi ideology.
People here are very grateful for that, but they don't believe that the people in Washington today are the same, they maybe descendants, but it hardly makes them copy’s or clones does it? Everyone is different, some people even believe that we each have our own unique soul, and most of the souls from WW2 are no longer with us, they certainly aren't at the forefront of U.S politics. Stop twisting my words in order to mislead readers.
There aren't many nations that would dare suggest the U.S stops dominating world affairs, but some have and it's something on the minds of those affected, which like I say is the majority of people in the world.
Moving on, I've not said that the U.S is anything like Nazi Germany, I understand that Jewish people have a home in the U.S.
What I did say however, was that more people have fallen at the hands of the U.S foreign policy (that is to say the government), then they have from any other country since Hitler’s.
Another fair comparison would be the treatment of the Palestinians, a country which has been wiped off the map (check it), occupied, its people killed, attacked and discriminated by the Israelis, something which the U.N and more recently the middle east peace envoy (ironically Tony Blair) have been speaking out against, but it's the U.S and Britain that allow Israel to carry on with this brutal path, from political obstruction of the U.N, to supplying her with the worlds most deadly weapons.
I don't think the worst of your country,
I think the worst of the people who have been running it of late,
I support the democratic process for change, and I hope the next government and leader are the best in the world (they will need to be).
This conversation can't go on, I believe we are two different people with very different views, neither of us are going to persuade the other of much, the best thing we can do is respect each others differences.
Like I said, the U.S support in WW2 is something that people are eternally grateful for, but it's a known fact that the U.S got involved when Japan bombed pearl harbour (they then declared war on Japan, not Germany), but days later it was Germany that declared war on the U.S. The U.S was neutral up until this point, but they did provide the Allies with weapons and supplies (some were bombed by the Germans, killing U.S civilian workers), this was indeed a world war and the U.S was always going to be a central obstacle of the Nazi ideology.
People here are very grateful for that, but they don't believe that the people in Washington today are the same, they maybe descendants, but it hardly makes them copy’s or clones does it? Everyone is different, some people even believe that we each have our own unique soul, and most of the souls from WW2 are no longer with us, they certainly aren't at the forefront of U.S politics. Stop twisting my words in order to mislead readers.
There aren't many nations that would dare suggest the U.S stops dominating world affairs, but some have and it's something on the minds of those affected, which like I say is the majority of people in the world.
Moving on, I've not said that the U.S is anything like Nazi Germany, I understand that Jewish people have a home in the U.S.
What I did say however, was that more people have fallen at the hands of the U.S foreign policy (that is to say the government), then they have from any other country since Hitler’s.
Another fair comparison would be the treatment of the Palestinians, a country which has been wiped off the map (check it), occupied, its people killed, attacked and discriminated by the Israelis, something which the U.N and more recently the middle east peace envoy (ironically Tony Blair) have been speaking out against, but it's the U.S and Britain that allow Israel to carry on with this brutal path, from political obstruction of the U.N, to supplying her with the worlds most deadly weapons.
I don't think the worst of your country,
I think the worst of the people who have been running it of late,
I support the democratic process for change, and I hope the next government and leader are the best in the world (they will need to be).
This conversation can't go on, I believe we are two different people with very different views, neither of us are going to persuade the other of much, the best thing we can do is respect each others differences.
发表时间 Tue 13 May 08 @ 1:36 pm
Tear Em 'Up
I am not trying to persuade you Bren I'm asking you to stop making the comparison of Nazi Germany/Hitler in regards to the U.S./Bush. By all means feel and think what you wish. But, for a person such as yourself to claim to care so deeply and fully about others feelings you do not seem to care that these statements bother some. Or that some find them offensive. To me that is a double standard. You either are concerned about hurting others or your not. But to say you care about others and then intentionally offend them is duplicitous in action and deed.
发表时间 Tue 13 May 08 @ 2:05 pm
A Man and His Music
Would you girls cut it out and kiss already. ^%$#@&^%& lesbians.
发表时间 Tue 13 May 08 @ 2:09 pm
VanStino
Yo Terry & Bagpuss..... You should get married.
发表时间 Tue 13 May 08 @ 2:23 pm
Tear Em 'Up
Rick, Van....do the letters "F" and "O" have any special meaning in your vocabulary? ;-)
发表时间 Tue 13 May 08 @ 2:29 pm
A Man and His Music
I like a good fight, with vicious low blows. I can respect both of you, and take no sides. You both are intelligent, and express yourselves very well. I just wish we could use more curse words.
发表时间 Tue 13 May 08 @ 2:32 pm
A Man and His Music
TearEmUp wrote :
Rick, Van....do the letters "F" and "O" have any special meaning in your vocabulary? ;-)
Frankie(The Swede) Olaf?? Yeah, wasn't he with Tony Soprano's crew?
发表时间 Tue 13 May 08 @ 2:41 pm
Tear Em 'Up
A Man and His Music wrote :
Frankie(The Swede) Olaf?? Yeah, wasn't he with Tony Soprano's crew?
Yeah I think he was Tony's personal chef
发表时间 Tue 13 May 08 @ 2:54 pm
Teary ......yer a moderator .......be moderate
you bastage
Chuck Moroni
you bastage
Chuck Moroni
发表时间 Sat 17 May 08 @ 7:17 am