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I have numark cue and i am using a maya 44 sound card but it is not stable what are some good sound cards out there i can use with cue? I have been waiting for the virtual vinyl sound card but they are sold out of it and i don't feel like waiting any longer i would like to get something i dentical to that though something with the bypass feature.
 
发表时间 Thu 27 Dec 07 @ 9:12 am
Why do you say it is not stable ? What settings are you using ? Both in the Maya Control Panel and VirtualDJ. Are you using Vinyl or CDs? If CDs, what are your CD Players ? And are you using the right Timecode file for the players?

You need to supply more than just a comment. I have used the card for 3 years as well as others so it's not the card but most likely how you have it configured.

Go look at my blog -- http://www.virtualdj.com/blog/cstoll/blog1116.html -- even though it is from the 2.6/3.x days the settings are still valid for the Maya Control Panel.

For Ver5, the TC settings are actually easier than the ones posted in the blog, because the Auto Config pretty much gets it right. And you need to make sure in your Performance tab that you have latency set to AUTO.

Outside of the VV box, the MAYA44 USB device is the best product out there for supporting Timecode use.
 
i been through this before on this forum we tried every setting possible and they could not solve it. Now i have upgraded to 5rev5 and i have not tried it yet with the cd's but i can surely tell you it is alot more stable when i use the program by itself. I am using a numark cdn 88 cd player and i downloaded the time coded cd's from this site. my note book settings are 1.8 dual core turion processor 64 bit, 2 gigs of ram ops is windows xp media center edition i deleted all of the garbage off of it and i use a western digital 500 gig ex hd. The problem that i was having was the song was not starting from my cue points and it was sticking when i try to spin the song back. The system was showing that i had 100% tc signal. Numark told me that i need to purchase the virtual vinyl sc for it to be stable.
 
Ok i downloaded the latest driver for my maya usb 44 i'm using the pro version time coded cd cause it is working better than the other one. The system seems to be more stable but sometimes when i'm trying to spin back to get to the part of the song i want to cue it sticks for a couple of seconds also when i start the song over sometimes it does not start from the cue point. What can be causing these little issues?
 
Your CD players arent whats called "DJ decks", meaning they haven't got huge scratch jogwheels and vinyl mode (those work flawless with VDJ, such as the Pioneer CDJs)

But yours should work okey too, but make sure you chosoe CD mode at timecode setup. VDJ need info, and if the Numark players "stutters" at cue point (=sends signal), it should work.

But havent tried your cd players myself.
 
Is the signal suppost to be at 100% all the time cause when i back spin or i'm scratching it drops a little sometimes.
 

no, its supposed to drop when you move/nudge/scratch ;) as long as you have 100% playin normal, you are set
 
Sent you a PM back. And I am glad you are at least making another attempt and it sounds like at least some positive results. Check the PM I sent and you can respond here.

BTW, this is nothing against the Numark reps, but from their marketing perspective they are going to tell you that the VV box is the only 'stable' alternative which we all know is not the exact case.
 
I have a 100 % signal that is fine but what is it with my songs not starting at the cue position i mean some songs do and some don't? Could it be my player(numark cdn 88 rackmount) is not a good combination with the numark cue? If thats the case let me no of some dj cd players thats good with the program, rackmount & vinyl cd players. thank you
 

It could be your CD players yes, but I've tried timecode with non-vinyl emulated CD players too.. and it worked pretty good.

The tricky part is that VDJ needs a timecode singnal, to tell VDJ where/what you are at, with the CD player, so those I tried (Pioneer) sends a stutter signal at cue (tiny fraction of the song repeats over and over at cue). Does the Numark ones do the same, or is it dead silence? (try with a normal CD).

If its dead silence, I doubt stronglt that it can operate well with cuing and timecode.

You also need to make sure you choose CD MODE in VDJ timecode setup, and turn off clear sound just for trials.

 


CD players that DOES work superb with timecode (that I've tested), are those that also offers vinyl-emulation, such as CDJ 800 and CDJ 1000.

VDJ also works great with non vinyl emulated cd players like CDJ 100 and CDJ 200, and Pioneer rackmounts.
Never tried with Numark CD players, so the cue part (stutter) might be different at Numark non-vinyl emulated CD players.. not sure
 
It is set on cd mode and it was silent when i tried with a normal cd.
 
ALI11 wrote :
It is set on cd mode and it was silent when i tried with a normal cd.


Ouch... Silent wont cut it. If its silent, it will send NO timecode signal to VDJ, and VDJ have no chance at all to know where you are at, and what you are doing at your CD. VDJ can not guess if you stopped the track, or cued up... Silence gives VDJ NO info.

So, is there any setting at the Numark rackmount that makes the cue "stutter" `? If not, does PAUSE do that? go to your cue point, hit play, and pause... If it "stutters" it will work.

Lastly, you could ask Numark if there is a way to fix, if Pause dont send any signal either. Maybe Numark has a firmware fix, but doubt it for a rackmount player.. but who knows ;)

All Pioneer players I've tried (rackmount/desktop) stutters at cue & pause, so they work perfectly. Numark might also have models that to the same, but havent tried timecode on the Numarks. Other brands, like Denon, also have the "Pioneer behaviour" as far as I know, and works good. At least the 3500/5000 does, those I've used.


 


Also, might be worth a shot... Try to aid VDJ / timecode signal, if its possible.

At cue-point (dead silent at your Numark player), what if you nudge a bit back and forwards to send a bit of a timecode signal?
Does that help?

Not sure if it will, cause you're back to dead silence after that, which really means STOP in the world of timecode
 
I just had a crazy idea, that might work... .

1) Set VDJ in VINYL mode in timecode settings (NOT CD)

2) Turn OFF anti-skip

3) At your dead silent cue point, nudge abit, to give a bit of signal.


That might actually work, as it is, of course dead silence, at a analogue vinyl turntable at cue point
 
No it did not work my signal is good 100% and stable. The only problem i'm having is my songs not starting from cue point after i play it. For instance i would cue the song on the first beat then i would let the song play to the middle and when i hit play or my hot start it wont start where i cued it at it starts all the way at the beginning or sometimes 10-15 seconds ahead of where i cued it from. Its weird i talked to numark today about it and they told me cue does not support time codes they also said that cue and v v vinyl are two totaly different programs but to me they look the same the only difference is it has the sound card made exactly for that program. My main point is i don't wan't to dish out another $ 500 just for a v v sound card!!!! Thanks for trying guys i don't know what else to do i guess i have to go back to cd's.
 
I'm not gonna diss Numark, but I think SOME of the employees arent all in on what Cue/VV is.

CUE : software only

VV : software (CUE!!) + soundcard + timecode vinyls & cds'

Software is the same. At least as of now, maybe VV will get specialized in the future, who knows.

And your issues are almost for sure not the soundcard anyways, but your Numark CN-80s players, that are not ideal for timecode use.

BUT, one thing that SHOULD work, is jump to a cue point WHILE the song is playing, it it acts like a "hot cue" on the Numark cd players (jumps back to cue, and plays from there). If that aint working, somethings needs a tweaking in your settings.


 
Sorry I haven't been helping you since the first post, but I agree with Norway. Unless you are using TimeCode with table-top CD players like the Denons, Pioneers or Numark Axis players I would not recommend or even suggest that TimeCode would work 100% correctly. The dual-deck players are not really designed appropriately to give the accuracy necessary for timecode. And the issue won't be resolved with a different soundcard.
 
Thank you very much finaly a straight up answer. What kind of players should i get remember i'm on a budget. Will the numark axis 9 work good with cue?
 
I will be honest, look at the iCDX from Numark. It might set you back for the first one but it will work. As long as you are not expecting to do any juggling between decks it would work great. And it would be a backup CD player to your 80s. Seriously think about it.

Sorry, I know nothing about the Axis players. I use Denon SN-5000s
 
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