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Im so sick of people downing VDJ...I dont have a problem with it...Hold up...aint we the first software dat came out with video mixing?...I've seen "SL" we actually have more options as far as skins,resolutions,samples,effects,etc. but what I dont know is...I have an controller and plan on upgrading to turntables....hows the Latency with VDJ Timecoded Vinyl? I know it kinda sucks with a controller...but hey im not downing VDJ...VDJ is running through my Veins! lol...but just asking...because I've seen only a few videos with VDJ timecoded vinyl scratching! If anyone have any videos send me a link so I can see what VDJ can do on turntables! and let me know what kind of soundcard ur using!
 
发表时间 Sun 06 Feb 11 @ 1:04 pm
Short answer...overcompensating for some personal deficiency....
 
lol...didnt think of dat one!
 
youtube

dj ravine

or

dj cotts

both those guys use TT and CDJ with timecodes and vdj. not 100% on the sound card but you could always ask.
 
I had a long conversation with a itch user today in my local guitar center and to my surprise he did not bash VDJ at all. We talked shop for about 45 min and compared the two programs. He said he was looking forward to itch coming out with 4 decks, I just smiled and said VDJ has four now or six if you want them but you can have up to 99.......he just looked and me and said...are you serious!??
 
You know, I've been wondering this myself. The thing that I keep reading is that VDJ users aren't true DJ's because it has autosync, which makes me laugh because it's totally optional if the person chooses to utilize that feature.

I went to a Christmas party in the city recently and the DJ who was playing was horrible. Guess what software the DJ was using? SSL. My point is that software isn't going to help if you have no skills.
 
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Auto-sync is also available on Traktor & Serato. Just sayin.
 
I have some basic mixing videos with 1200s - I'm no battle dj though...




Thought I'd throw this one in as well - off topic but the dancefloor took over the street outside on the weekend - lol.
 
I think its because some DJ's feel that they had to learn the old school way with no sync button. So they feel its unfair that people can now pick up this software and start pumping out perfectly synced mixes within hours. Honestly I think they feel threatened. Nowadays if you don't keep up with technology in your field you get left behind. I say embrace sync as it only makes your job easier. The less time you spend tweaking your pitch sliders the more time you have to add to your mix/performance.
 
I do not agree with your comment completely. I do embrace technology, and changes, and I totally embrace how Virtual Dj has made it easier for many "so called Dj's" to pick up a controller, or cdj's and give themselves the title of Dj. However, I totally disagree with embracing the auto-sync function. Although I do not oppose to having it as part of the software, I would strongly encourage every Dj or any new comer to the world of Dj, to use it as your last resource, and not something that at every party you will simply hit and pretend to be beat matching.

I use virtual dj, Serato itch and live, Traktor, Cd's and flashdrives. However, even when I'm using software to mix, I use my ears to beat match, because I have found out that even though you have that auto sync option, it can still throw your set off. Embrace technology, not the things that will allow you to cheat and not learn.

As for those who bash virtual Dj, well, it's the million dollar question of what came first, the chicken or he egg. Every Dj has their taste of software, and very, and I do mean very few Dj's would tell you that there is no difference between using one software to the other, because the bottom line is, they all do the same thing with or without that infamous auto sync button.
 
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city is spot on! Maybe the "home" or "free" versions need to be limited to 30 minutes of continual use or something. I know a few people have come to me and said the same sort of things. It basically dis-credits myself as a professional and the software as a professional tool.

People tend to forget that we have thousands wrapped up in our rigs, speakers, music libraries, etc.
 
All I'm saying is if its there why not use it. I'm not suggesting you auto sync all your toons to beat match because no doubt sometimes VDJ gets it terribly wrong. You should embrace auto-sync if you want to instantly make both your songs the same BPM. Why would you sit there and tweak your pitch sliders if you don't have to? after you hit sync you can still manually put the beat where it needs to be with your controller, tables, cdj's whatever.
Example) your making a mashup. You can play an instrumental, load a vocal, hit sync and its at the perfect BPM. Then sling it in with your turntables and you got yourself a perfect mashup. Want to bring in a different vocal No prob. echo out the first vocal and repeat the steps, in a few bars you have a completely different vocal in there without spending precious moments tweaking the pitch. Here are some songs I made with this method.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htu1HywZgEw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUWEpVX_czg
You should still learn to mix without sync because its good to have an understanding of the basic principals of DJ'n but auto sync is not your enemy!
I learned to mix with auto sync. It showed me what music is supposed to sound like matched properly. Without a mentor this was the only method I had. I've been DJ'n for only 1 year, because I embraced auto sync first I was able to learn to manually beat match much faster and easier. Here is a mix with a program that has no auto sync.
http://soundcloud.com/lofosho/all-we-do-is-party-2011
 
I understand your point. You're doing it the right way, but some people do not take it any further than using the autosync when beatmatching, which is what the typical VDJ basher believes all of us are doing.
 
I do things the old way but I would probably use autosync if it actually worked. Maybe I wasnt using it correctly but seems its only good if your beat grids are correct and thats just about impossible unless your entire track is blatant 4/4 with no variation and that doesnt happen that often. For Sync to really be any good, the whole beat grid needs a rethink to allow for offbeat sections and changes in tempo.
 
tenorsaw wrote :
I understand your point. You're doing it the right way, but some people do not take it any further than using the autosync when beatmatching, which is what the typical VDJ basher believes all of are doing.


I guess people just tend to hate/judge what they can't understand. I don't have a problem with someone beatmatching with auto-sycn. I think if you are serious about becoming a DJ and perusing it as a career/progressing your skills you will teach yourself to beat match without auto sync. When people used to talk about VDJ I would simply ignore them. Look at all the people dancing on the floor, and remember that your music speaks for your skills. Not whats on your screen.
 
I think I tend to use autosync because I'm using the RMX controller. It's just quicker to get the BPM's lined up, as was stated. From there, I manually match the beats.
 
Same here..I mean its just obvious..what you're gonna do when you're using the RMX or equal type of controller? but its not like someone its standing next to you with a barrel on your head sayin "no,no sync!"...But what if we could "mod" the Rmx with new touch sensetive platters?...humm
 
VDJ is FIRE!!! Those that run that BS about it's not for real DJ's is either seriously smoking something or have no clue how to use it. I been in the game for close to 3 decades and a lot of these so called great dj's been in the studio for years auto-syncing! Besides, pretty much all the software today has that feature!

THE GAME HAS CHANGED, ACCEPT IT!
 
Here's a crazy thing...

Saturday night I was dj'ing with VDJ and another DJ came over to me and looked at my set up and said...
"Oh you use VDJ, I've got CUE... It's much better"

Errr... Yeah thumbs up! I kindly introduced him to the fact that it is essentially the same program!

99% of the time I use pitch faders and jog wheels to get/keep my tunes in beat and to be honest it's safer for me than pressing sync because x out of 10 times it will throw the beat off anyway.

However, I am not bashing the sync button... Here's a scenario: You have a song playing and you load up the next track... A punter comes up and starts talking and the conversation is interesting enough to take away your attention and before you know it you have a matter of seconds to get the next song going so bang, hit the sync button and then hit play... I don't see anything wrong with that you're simply making it match the BPM and then hitting play and lining it up yourself.

I admit that I use Traktor sometimes too (I like the effects)... and I think it's even easier to keep it in beat with that! Not only do you have a sync button but you also have (potentially on bigger screens) a 4-5 inch bar with lines and if you get it perfectly in the center... it's in beat. Someone with no DJ knowledge can pick up a copy of traktor and just like VDJ do perfect beat matching by using a sync button or lining it up to the grid. IT'S MAD that people lack respect for VDJ!

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I agree!! i'm get slammed by many other DJ's as only being Amateur bcoz of the software i'm using ie VDJ... the software is only a tool. Just like a wrench is to a mechanic or plumber. If he doesn't no how to use it, then what good is he at his job. I use VDJ bcoz i like the layout, it's stable, it's options are plentiful and it suits me. Just bcoz Serato or Traktor are seen as the leading professional software doesn't mean that if you don't use it then your not a professional DJ. You wouldn't tell the carpenter that he's not a professional bcoz he uses a bosh drill from his local hardware store instead of a dewalt drill from the building suppliers wholesaler.
 
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