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Topic: beat matching speed query.

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Hi all.
i am new too here and am contemplating moving to VDJ.
i have an xponent.
i have seen that it is compatable etc etc
anyhow.
fiddled with a friends older VDJ ( V 5??? )
now Torq snaps the beat to match instantly. so if I am holding a track using the xponent in vinyl mode and i let go it syncs up straight away
VDJ seems to slide along to the next beat, is there a setting for making this instant?
or is this just what it does?
its a shame if so... :-/

 

发表时间 Tue 17 Aug 10 @ 12:19 pm
Not sure if it does but my advice is to learn to beatmatch yourself then you don't have to worry about things not matching up.

Just my thoughts
Huey
 

TBH i have read all the discussions about beat matching manually etc on here. and its a totally seperate discussion...:-)
all i will say is things move on.
The car was invented so we didnt need the horse. Yes there are times when we still use the horse.. cos we can... but we dont need too if we dont want...:-)
The snap to beat is useful - for me- if i am holding a track with the controller i can just let go to play. now as i said with Torq,if i mistime letting go slightly, it snaps it straight in.
VDJ seems to slide to the next beat, which is not goooodd... :-)
there must be a way.. i cant see such an impressive program as VDJ being sluggish??
anyone??
 

:-(
quite surprised to have no posts for this?
???
any thoughts
 

i never have this problem,when i hit play and sync it is synced properly(but you always have to pitch it a little bit by yourself)

hit play exactly when the beat comes,then hit sync.
if you hit play while the second beat is almost passing,it will indeed pass up to the next beat...
 

hmm... take it its just what VDJ does then?
its simply a speed thing.
as i said on Torq it immediately snaps to the beat so if you let go a tad early for safetys sake - the you dont hear a slide, it simply lands where it should. wheras VDJ - it slides to the next beat, with an audible slide. Its not a major prob. occasionally in mixing i will hold a deck where i want and let it go where i want it to drop. Torq does this. you can rely on it. VDJ does not seem too. but with all the settings and things you seem to be able to alter to suit, thought it might simply be a setting somewhere....
be a shame if it aint....,

 

It has master tempo features and if you hit sync and the beat anchors are set correctly it will anchor to the beat....
now being a hip hop DJ I don't use any of these features...


 

Sounds like you have Beatlock activated. I used to get sync and beatlock confused. When you press the button to sync, the tempo snaps to the new tempo, but the music plays normally, just at the new tempo (no "slide", as you call it). With beatlock, then the audio slides to line up the CBG squares.

Now I may be wrong, but this is just my personal experience in using them.
 

hmm..
i am a little confused as to the difference then.???
can you try and further explain??
i will try and get the opportunity to have another fiddle with it...
 

Download the demo,

If you have one track playing, you load up another track, hit play then hit sync
it will move the track to match on the beat.

if you have the beat master set, it will automatically align the beat once you hit play.

Beat Anchors are used to help align the beat. For most cases the anchors are set correctly.
you can set the anchors manually.


The Demo:

http://www.virtualdj.com/download/trial.html

The Manual:

http://www.virtualdj.com/wiki/PDFManuals.html


 

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, as I don't claim to be an expert. Will break it down to you as I understand it.


Beatlock seems to be dependent on the CBG squares (underneath the waveform). Beatlock seems to slide a playing song by momentarily speeding it up or slowing it down to keep the squares of the songs aligned. Now if the squares aren't accurate, you end up with a total train wreck. But pressing sync simply changes the tempo of the song to match the other deck, while otherwise playing the song normally.

I used to press the beatlock button twice to initially match beats, and would do so before starting the song. I did it once to get the right tempo, then the second time to disengage it. If I didn't press it that second time, the song would "slide" to line up the squares, often resulting in the audio momentarily slowing down or speeding up.

Hope that clarifies. If anybody can either correct me or explain in either greater detail, or simpler terms, please feel free.
 

That is what I was referring to when I mentioned Bean Anchors

Check out page 14 in the manual.

 

ok... so i guess the long and the short of it to my original question is that this is just what it does.
hmm.,
ok.
disappointed a little.
just a nice little trick you can do with a que or by holding the track manually in torq. if you,let it got it'll snap it straight in, no slide, means you can let a track go in the mix without too many concerns.
why the slide?

when Torq snaps to the beat without the slide.?
:-)

 

Simple answer, use sync instead of beatmatch.....or just say that you like Traktor more than VDJ.
 

sphis wrote :
Now if the squares aren't accurate, you end up with a total train wreck.


Right-click on the BPM button for the deck/track and you will get a dialog pop up that will allow you do manually edit the BPM, move the CBG so it aligns with the beat, and more...

Sometimes you'll find the CBG and BPM are correct, but extra long intros can screw with the CBG positioning. Once changed is stays with the track so you never have to adjust it again.

it only takes a few seconds to do and can help you avoid the train wrecks!!!

Cheers,

Roy
 

Yeah, I know. I don't use the squares, personally. I was trying to keep the answer simple. But you are absolutely right. You can line them up very easily by moving the big square to the downbeat (or 1st big beat).
 

xponent1 wrote :
ok... so i guess the long and the short of it to my original question is that this is just what it does.
hmm.,
ok.
disappointed a little.
just a nice little trick you can do with a que or by holding the track manually in torq. if you,let it got it'll snap it straight in, no slide, means you can let a track go in the mix without too many concerns.
why the slide?

when Torq snaps to the beat without the slide.?
:-)



Why not learn how to mix and cue on beat?
LOL; I am just kidding.... but I am just saying... LOL

I just tried the Torq feature.. it's kinda cool but like VDJ it's not accurate all the time.

I personally don't like this feature on Torq or VDJ.


 



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