Rune (DJ-In-Norway)
damn you know lotsa about the history behind the ever going Microsoft vs Mac, and Apple vs Dell and more.. ;) Was actually quite interesting reading...
we all know there is a "war" going on ... But I do feel you have a personal grudge against Microsoft too ;) It aint that bad... hehe.. we all use Microsoft every day.. I've used my WinXP at my latest laptop about 100-150 live dj gigs, and EVERYDAY at home for other apps... and it has never crashed.. :) Not one time... Sure apps have , but not Windows.
And I have mac too.. ;) Apps crash on Mac too... even the OS does.. ;) the little popup screen of death.. I'm sure u know it;) hehe
Anyways, PC's and Mac's are getting more and more equal by the day.. Now both with Intel Dual Core.. and more. And the Win OS and Mac OS is getting more and more equal by the day too. As you say, they look more the same, and both PC's and MAC's can run both OS. Hell, the OS can even run programs written for the other OS soon ;) Says something...
Every day they are getting more and more equal.. And you gotta stop wonder if its really a merge? :) hehe.. But even if not, the discussion PC vs MAC gets less and less valid ground. They are soon virtualy the "same" thing:) almost... not quite, but almost..:)
we all know there is a "war" going on ... But I do feel you have a personal grudge against Microsoft too ;) It aint that bad... hehe.. we all use Microsoft every day.. I've used my WinXP at my latest laptop about 100-150 live dj gigs, and EVERYDAY at home for other apps... and it has never crashed.. :) Not one time... Sure apps have , but not Windows.
And I have mac too.. ;) Apps crash on Mac too... even the OS does.. ;) the little popup screen of death.. I'm sure u know it;) hehe
Anyways, PC's and Mac's are getting more and more equal by the day.. Now both with Intel Dual Core.. and more. And the Win OS and Mac OS is getting more and more equal by the day too. As you say, they look more the same, and both PC's and MAC's can run both OS. Hell, the OS can even run programs written for the other OS soon ;) Says something...
Every day they are getting more and more equal.. And you gotta stop wonder if its really a merge? :) hehe.. But even if not, the discussion PC vs MAC gets less and less valid ground. They are soon virtualy the "same" thing:) almost... not quite, but almost..:)
发表时间 Wed 05 Jul 06 @ 8:51 pm
A Man and His Music
Thanks for all that info, because, right now, this is the most important thing in my life. I don't know what I was doing with my life. We are so glad that you could come down from the heavens to bestow this knowledge on us. So much knowledge, on such an important subject. Come on little kiddies, take your seats so you all can learn something. What do you win for knowing all this? Oh, you are the talk of the party. Glad I did not get an invitation to that party. You are so smart. Ask me how impressed I am. As it is, I have a razor blade in my hand at the moment, ready to cut my wrist. We can tell what you spend most of your time doing, and it's not being a DJ. Do you ever get tired of standing in front of the mirror, patting yourself on the back? Or is it stroking yourself? Yawn, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
发表时间 Wed 05 Jul 06 @ 10:33 pm
A Man and His Music
Can we put all of his post into a sticky and call it " Everything you wanted to know about a Mac, but don't give a shit about". This way real Mac user know where to get all the knowledge from. The rest of us idiots can stay away.
发表时间 Wed 05 Jul 06 @ 10:48 pm
Rune (DJ-In-Norway)
lol ;) You are being a bit hard A Man and His Music:)
We all have passionate interests in life.. His being Macs;) and there are users here interested in mac, and more to come, when VDJ for Mac is out:)
We all have passionate interests in life.. His being Macs;) and there are users here interested in mac, and more to come, when VDJ for Mac is out:)
发表时间 Wed 05 Jul 06 @ 10:56 pm
asymptote
I don't think a Man and his Music is being a little hard. What I've read in his posts always resonates with me.
There's a little too much Con in this Quest for Mac supremacy for my taste.
There's a little too much Con in this Quest for Mac supremacy for my taste.
发表时间 Wed 05 Jul 06 @ 11:09 pm
A Man and His Music
That's why I said to put them in a sticky. I have nothing against Mac users. They should be able to find the info that they need. I just think that loser like me that still use PC's, should not have to read through long winded, PC bashing. I don't see any mature adults on this forum bashing Macs. Do you see Denon users bashing Numark users? It is not an issue. Most of us are DJ's, using VDJ, and trying to help each other out. I am not trying to stop him from spreading his bullshit, just put it in separate folder. If you like, it could be "PC Bashing". I am sure there are others that would be happy that they had a place to bash PCs. Again, have I said anything against Mac users, in any of my post?
发表时间 Wed 05 Jul 06 @ 11:31 pm
asymptote
Right on.
And as we've said a lot of times before. it's the Music that Matters. How we play it is relatively incidental. It's the connection of the audience, the atmosphere we create and the music which is crucial. Whether it is through Mac, Windows or a steam generated vinyl system, the audience doesn't give a shit and really, neither do I - because I have used it all over the years. As long as the system is reliable then I'm happy, cos I can get n with doing my job.
I think that if ConQuest thinks his ramblings are going to convert people to Mac he is wrong.
And as we've said a lot of times before. it's the Music that Matters. How we play it is relatively incidental. It's the connection of the audience, the atmosphere we create and the music which is crucial. Whether it is through Mac, Windows or a steam generated vinyl system, the audience doesn't give a shit and really, neither do I - because I have used it all over the years. As long as the system is reliable then I'm happy, cos I can get n with doing my job.
I think that if ConQuest thinks his ramblings are going to convert people to Mac he is wrong.
发表时间 Wed 05 Jul 06 @ 11:41 pm
asymptote
Oh, forgot to say, - My cheap and cheerful Windows Dell laptop runs VDJ extremely well with never a glitch, dropout or crash. It cost me a third of the price of a Mac. Why try and fix it if it aint broke?
发表时间 Thu 06 Jul 06 @ 12:00 am
jchiar
geez.
all i wanted to know was how well the video works on a macbook!
@dj-norway- have you tried VDJ on your mac?
all i wanted to know was how well the video works on a macbook!
@dj-norway- have you tried VDJ on your mac?
发表时间 Thu 06 Jul 06 @ 12:01 am
asymptote
@ jchiar, I think you stumbled into something else, but with good intentions.
发表时间 Thu 06 Jul 06 @ 12:04 am
ConQuest
dj-in-norway wrote :
damn you know lotsa about the history behind the ever going Microsoft vs Mac, and Apple vs Dell and more.. ;) Was actually quite interesting reading...
I had to hold back a LOT more of what I know in order to not make the post too large, which it already is. =P
Just wanted to touch on a few [very few, BELIEVE me there's a lot more] of the MAIN issues.
dj-in-norway wrote :
we all know there is a "war" going on ...
As I said before, it really only has been a serious BATTLE for the past 4 years [a pre-emptive strike], although REAL blood was spilt 3 months ago when Apple released Boot Camp, which allows you to run windows SEPARATELY [on another partition of the hard drive] from Mac OS X, both on a Mac. Even more blood was spilt when Parallel released "Workstation" for Mac [VMWare is launching a Mac OS X version VERY soon as well] that allows windows to run WITHIN Mac OS X on a Mac. The blood is now gushing since last week's release of Codeweaverz's "CrossOver Mac" which "will allow Mac users to run their favorite Windows applications seamlessly on their Mac, without the need for a Windows OS license of any kind."
Let me post that one more time so that the effect will sink in: Codeweaverz's "CrossOver Mac" will allow Mac users to run their favorite Windows applications seamlessly on their Mac, without the need for a Windows OS license of any kind."
dj-in-norway wrote :
But I do feel you have a personal grudge against Microsoft too ;)
That's an understatement. ;)
Like I said before in another post, I choose NOT to support CONVICTED criminal organizations like microsoft that repeatedly abuse international trade law, but that finally in recent years, currently, and coming up in the near future are now being held accountable for their past and present misdeeds in order to refrain them from continuing on with "illegal business as usual".
It's not just microsoft by the way. I don't buy anything from Nike because of their past conviction for the use of sweatshops and child labor to produce overpriced athletic shoes.
Although they have stopped doing so, it's one of those circumstances that, had they NOT been caught, they more than likely would have continued on with, again, "illegal business as usual".
Sure, Nike has teamed up with Apple to produce a very innovative and useful product http://www.apple.com/ipod/nike/ , but even if Apple has chosen to work with them, I PERSONALLY have the right NOT to support them, and I excercise that right freely.
There's other things too, but I think you get the idea. It all has to do with moral and ethical upstanding and holding those who are immoral and unethical accountable.
dj-in-norway wrote :
It aint that bad... hehe.. we all use Microsoft every day..
Only until the Mac version of VDJ 4 comes out. =) ... and maybe PlayStation 3, because I'm kinda of enjoying some of the windows games that I can now run on my MacBook Pro. ;)
After all, as the old saying goes, "Macs are for productivity, windows is for Solitaire". windows pc's are pretty much only good for gaming, and I still wouldn't choose a windows pc over a good dedicated gaming console like the PS3.
NO, I won't be buying microsoft's XBOX 360 either, in case you were wondering. =P
dj-in-norway wrote :
I've used my WinXP at my latest laptop about 100-150 live dj gigs, and EVERYDAY at home for other apps... and it has never crashed.. :) Not one time... Sure apps have , but not Windows.
That's great and I believe you, but the fact remains, according to the 2-4 windows users that I see [and have seen for the past 4 years] switching to Mac 5x a week, that YOU are an EXCEPTION to the norm.
I felt REALLY bad watching DJ Revolution's [of Sway & Tech's Wake Up Show] windows computer take a dive at the "Rock the Bells" concert where "A Tribe Called Quest" was having their reunion performance.
Myself, DJ Able, and my partner Icy Ice [Beat Junkies] were all talking about it the next week. THAT is when a LOT of dj's started coming to me to buy Macs, because that is something that NONE of them EVER wants to experience in any environment, but especially an important live performance like that one.
dj-in-norway wrote :
And I have mac too.. ;) Apps crash on Mac too... even the OS does.. ;) the little popup screen of death.. I'm sure u know it;) hehe
Which version of Mac OS X are you running? Just wondering. Also do this: Got to Applications, Utilities, Disk Utility, and open that Disk Utility Application. On the left side you'll see any hard drives, cd's, DVD's, and mounted images you may have at the moment. Select you're MAIN hard drive. With you're main hard drive selected, CLICK on the REPAIR PERMISSIONS button on the lower right hand side of the screen [IGNORE the Verify Permissions button right above it].
All problems solved in less than 30 seconds. Enjoy you're Mac!
dj-in-norway wrote :
Anyways, PC's and Mac's are getting more and more equal by the day.. Now both with Intel Dual Core.. and more.
ONLY in terms of hardware. Apple wanted to "level the playing field" by using the same hardware, then allowing windows to run on Mac hardware, therefore exposing the REAL problem with windows computers... WINDOWS, NOT the hardware.
Do you get the bigger picture yet of why Apple REALLY is allowing windows to run on Macs? It's to publicly humiliate windows and expose it for the flawed OS that it is. If you have Mac and windows OS running on the SAME hardware, and the Mac OS doesn't give you any problems and the windows OS does, then people will finally realize what millions of us have known all along. THE PROBLEM IS wINDOWS.
dj-in-norway wrote :
And the Win OS and Mac OS is getting more and more equal by the day too.
They may look more simialr [because as usual, microsoft is trying to make vista look like Mac OS, but vista is still FAR from achieving Macs stability and security and using the latest technological features. Just google "bill gates winFS holy grail" for a classic example of what microsoft wnated to introduce as a "new microsoft feature", that Mac has already had for over a year, and that ultimately couldn't be put into vista because windows' code is bloated and antiquated.
From Apple's Boot Camp page:
"Macs use an ultra-modern industry standard technology called EFI to handle booting. Sadly, Windows XP, and even the upcoming Vista, are stuck in the 1980s with old-fashioned BIOS. But with Boot Camp, the Mac can operate smoothly in both centuries."
dj-in-norway wrote :
As you say, they look more the same,
You ever hear of the old saying, "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig"? bill gates, microsoft, and vista sure are wearing a lot of lipstick, but I still smell bacon. ;)
dj-in-norway wrote :
and both PC's and MAC's can run both OS.,
Macs can run ALL OS'es. pc HARDWARE can be used to HACK Mac OS X onto it. windows doesn't support anything but itself and microsoft, and that is why they are a 3x [so far] convicted monopoly.
dj-in-norway wrote :
Hell, the OS can even run programs written for the other OS soon ;)
Mac OS X will be able to run windows applications without windows at all using Codeweaverz "CrossOver Mac" [I'm sure other options will come out shortly, because Mac OS X's Darwin source code is completely OPEN SOURCE [built on Unix Free BSD]. ALL of Mac OS X itself is not completely Open Source, but Apple has to maintain SOME control over it's OS, otherwise it'll just be a "free for all" mess of code like Linux.
windows won't be able to run Mac applications though, without a hack, because illegal monopolies don't like to "share".
dj-in-norway wrote :
Every day they are getting more and more equal..
ONLY visually, because someone at microsoft said "Hey, why don't we try to make an OS that doesn't look like a 1st grade child colored it with a crayon?", and maybe make it look a little classy... let's try to copy Mac OS X"!
What a novel idea, microsoft.
dj-in-norway wrote :
And you gotta stop wonder if its really a merge? :) hehe..
There is NO merger taking place here. This is the beginning of a COMPLETE takeover.
It's called "DOMINATION THROUGH ASSIMILATION". Mac OS will dominate windows by being able to do EVERYTHING that windows can do [including crashing, freezing, getting malware, needing defragmenting, optimizing and constant maintenance], but more importantly, Mac OS will also be able to do a LOT more than windows can do... like work reliably for an extended period of time with security in mind.
dj-in-norway wrote :
But even if not, the discussion PC vs MAC gets less and less valid ground.
Not as long as it keeps getting easier everyday to switch windows users to Mac. How do I do it? I just tell them about the problems that I know that they're having on their windows computers, then tell them why they don't happen on Macs.
Simple, eh?
dj-in-norway wrote :
They are soon virtualy the "same" thing:) almost... not quite, but almost..:)
Only on the outside, Norway... only on the outside. =)
发表时间 Thu 06 Jul 06 @ 12:06 am
Andrew87
Thread HiJack #1923824
发表时间 Thu 06 Jul 06 @ 12:15 am
Rune (DJ-In-Norway)
jchiar wrote :
Ok, great! Back to my question...
Does the current MACBOOK (NOT PRO) run videos out the Svideo port well running windows xp with bootcamp?
Does the current MACBOOK (NOT PRO) run videos out the Svideo port well running windows xp with bootcamp?
Could you answer that ConQuest? Please;) (the real topic of the thread)
I think you might know the answer better than anyone ...
And jchiar, no .. I havent tried VDJ on Mac yet.. sorry.
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Regarding Macs, yeah.. I'll admit it might very well be my next computer. But I think your way of trying to convince people might have the oposite effect, ConQuest:) Just a friendly advice.. Its better to ONLY focus on the good things about Mac, and LEAVE the bashing of Microsoft out of it.. ;) Think it works better, people get provoced by someone telling their OS is absolutely shit, when they use the very same OS everyday with very little problems:) So rather saying that Windows is absolutely shit (which most users here will find untrue), rather focus on good sides about the MAC OS...
Apple's BIGGEST selling point (at least with my friends) is its design! :) Apple computers look sexy ;)
I'll give Mac's the better stability, but reason for having PC (for me) is first of all the ease of use, access of programs .. and yes... games too ;) But MAC running Windows program sounds very nice.. ;) Kinda have to see that to believe that.. :) If that was ALL true, and no issues with it, why do u wait for the VDJ mac version... ;)
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Hope first of all you can help jchiar ;)
发表时间 Thu 06 Jul 06 @ 12:51 am
Rune (DJ-In-Norway)
@ConQuest
Just to clearify why I think you fail a bit on your arguments:
To give you some insight on how PC users feel about Mac users saying "they are better" etc, read this:
I Don't Hate Macs, I Just Hate Mac Users
http://www.basement.org/archives/2006/01/i_dont_hate_macs_i_just_hate_m.html
Just a friendly advice ;) A lot of PC users get provoced by how "new born" mac users are;) hehe
And also read this part, that points out some valid points about what Mac lacks for most PC users:
Why I hate Mac OSX
http://www.glaven.org/archives/2005/03/why_i_hate_mac_1.html
And some for fun ;)
The funny reverse version of the current Mac commercials :
http://perseus.franklins.net/whymacssuck.wmv (FUNNY AS HELL.. hehe.. and actually some truth there)
and this one about gaming on macs : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz5Fc8k4M50 :) lool
And live demostrations on Macs, where things crash and fail, just like PC's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QwKmFGIb-M damn funny too ....hehe
(just to clearify, I do like mac... But both Mac and PCs have its pro and cons, its positive and negative sides)
Just to clearify why I think you fail a bit on your arguments:
To give you some insight on how PC users feel about Mac users saying "they are better" etc, read this:
I Don't Hate Macs, I Just Hate Mac Users
http://www.basement.org/archives/2006/01/i_dont_hate_macs_i_just_hate_m.html
Just a friendly advice ;) A lot of PC users get provoced by how "new born" mac users are;) hehe
And also read this part, that points out some valid points about what Mac lacks for most PC users:
Why I hate Mac OSX
http://www.glaven.org/archives/2005/03/why_i_hate_mac_1.html
And some for fun ;)
The funny reverse version of the current Mac commercials :
http://perseus.franklins.net/whymacssuck.wmv (FUNNY AS HELL.. hehe.. and actually some truth there)
and this one about gaming on macs : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz5Fc8k4M50 :) lool
And live demostrations on Macs, where things crash and fail, just like PC's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QwKmFGIb-M damn funny too ....hehe
(just to clearify, I do like mac... But both Mac and PCs have its pro and cons, its positive and negative sides)
发表时间 Thu 06 Jul 06 @ 1:15 am
jchiar
@ asymptote- looks like i stubled this into a long thread
I have to admit, i do side with conquest on many of his point.
I just hope he can help me like norway thinks!
I have to admit, i do side with conquest on many of his point.
I just hope he can help me like norway thinks!
发表时间 Thu 06 Jul 06 @ 1:34 am
A Man and His Music
DJ in Norway, thank you for the great laughs. That Mac Blooper was priceless. As they always say, If it can go wrong, it will.
发表时间 Thu 06 Jul 06 @ 7:24 am
ConQuest
dj-in-norway wrote :
Could you answer that ConQuest? Please;) (the real topic of the thread)
I think you might know the answer better than anyone ...
And jchiar, no .. I havent tried VDJ on Mac yet.. sorry.
jchiar wrote :
Ok, great! Back to my question...
Does the current MACBOOK (NOT PRO) run videos out the Svideo port well running windows xp with bootcamp?
Does the current MACBOOK (NOT PRO) run videos out the Svideo port well running windows xp with bootcamp?
Could you answer that ConQuest? Please;) (the real topic of the thread)
I think you might know the answer better than anyone ...
And jchiar, no .. I havent tried VDJ on Mac yet.. sorry.
I did answer this already on the second page of this thread guys. But I'll post my response again with a slight correction about S-Video [the MacBook is DVI out, NOT S-Video] That is what I meant to pot but forgot the very important "NOT" in my original post:
@ frd1963:
Yes, the MacBook's integrated GMA 950 graphics will run VDJ just fine.
@ jchiar:
I did not try running video out of the mini-DVI port of the MacBook [it is NOT S-video]. That is something new to me that I am gonna try with my MacBook Pro, but I am almost sure that video will work fine out of the MacBook with it's extended desktop/video spannijng capability ONLY if you have enough system ram.
You really don't need the dedicated ATI x1600 graphics card to do this. A dedicated graphics card is more useful for applications that require pixel shading, texture shading, and things like that. An integrated graphics card is just fine for video playback, again, as long as you have enough system ram to run the VDJ skin effects AND the external video.
Take out one of the stock 256MB chips and add a 1GB chip, AT LEAST. Of course maxing it out at 2GB by replacing BOTH 256 chips wouldn't hurt, just in case. =)
The fact that it's being run through XP on a Mac using Boot Camp is not an inhibiting factor because running windows applications on xp through bootcamp on a Mac runs EXACTLY the same as ANY windows computer with the same specs. [Core Duo 1.83GHz or 2.0GHz processor, GMA 950 integrated graphics, 5400 rpm HD, and 512MB of ram are the main factors]
If anything, all of the unnecassary background processes running in windows and the fact that it's a slow and bloated OS would be an inhibiting factor.
That last comment was not windows bashing people. I'm just telling it like it is for someone who should be aware.
发表时间 Thu 06 Jul 06 @ 10:39 am
jchiar
@Conquest, Thanks. If you can test the video out and post back the results, i would appreciate it.
If ya need some videos to test, please let me know.
I for one, would love to see VDJ run on a MACBOOK.
If ya need some videos to test, please let me know.
I for one, would love to see VDJ run on a MACBOOK.
发表时间 Thu 06 Jul 06 @ 1:19 pm
ConQuest
dj-in-norway wrote :
Regarding Macs, yeah.. I'll admit it might very well be my next computer. But I think your way of trying to convince people might have the oposite effect, ConQuest:) Just a friendly advice..
Trust me, Norway, I am WELL aware of the fact that I am very righteous, even militant [there is an imminent war afterall] in my fight against microsoft, but if you think that my way of switching people is inneffective, you are SORELY mistaken. Remember, I have 16 years of professional experience on BOTH windows and Mac computers [Novell & Unix as well], second only to my 19 years of experience on dj'ing.
It's because I've been spinning so long that I've personally known Q-Bert, J-Rocc [from the OC in Cali, just like me] Melo-D, Rhettmatic, Shortkut, D-Styles [I emptied out my closet in my bedroom to make more room for my dj equipment and record crates because I saw his room set up that way at his house in Northern California], etc. since BEFORE ANY of them were "world famous". Because we had all dj'ed together at everything from small house parties [I first met the Dilated People's DJ Babu at DJ Curse's b-day party in Cerritos back in '96 shortly after he had beat my good friend Rhettmatic at DMC's West coast finals] to clubhouses, small halls, hotel ballrooms, and then when we finally had raised enough money, small clubs annd then bigger clubs in more parts of California [Los Angeles, san diego, then San Francisco]. I personally know the Beat Junkies. They first discussed formation in the summer of '92 at one of my [and my partner Icy Ice's] dj crew's [LEGEND Entertainment] first weekly club ["The Source" @ The Variety Arts Center] and the Invisibl Scratch Picklez [Rich's/Q-Bert's "Booger Breaks" was my first battle break record]
The reason I'm name, and specific incident, "dropping" is because MAHI seems to think that I don't take dj'ing seriously. More than likely, I was using turntables before he even could pronounce the word, or even knew what one was. And if he's a cd dj, that just makes it soooo much more laughable. =P
Nothing against cd dj's in general, but I've been a turntablist since we first began using that word back in the early 90's to differentiate ourselves from self proclaimed "dj's" [usually only "beat matchers"... whoopee] who don't understand or utilize turntables as musical instruments.
A turntable is an instrument to be used to express and re-produce the way an individual perceives a songs various elements. From it's sounds to it's structure [tempo, time, chorus, breaks, etc.] and anyother real or perceived element that comes into play for that individual, even if another individual doesn't perceive it as perceivable. That may be a litttle too "deep" for some of you, but then I don't expect that too many of you have been doing this as long as I have, again, 19 years.
THAT is why AMATEUR ROOKIES like "MAN AND HIS IGNORANCE" [I'll just call him MAHI... Asymptote, you're not worth my time and just seem to be a MAHI "jump on the bandwagoner"... Andrew87, LOL!] amuse me, and from a professional computer knowledge standpoint, don't stand a chance against me and the SWITCHER movement which I am telling you all now, is VERY REAL, and VERY PROVEABLE. People like MAHI are sooo intelligent... until their inexperienced propoganda gets shameleslly shut down by people like me who can show and prove the FACTS.
Here's are some "conservative" [LOL!] numbers that are almost a year old [from 2005]. These numbers are MUCH bigger now, by anywhere from 25% - 50% higher. But again, NDA prohibits me from being anymore specific than that. We have a 25% range "rule" with which to "play" with. It's your prerogative to try and guess [that's all you can do anyways] as to whether the number is closer to the lower or higher percentage, given all the facts I am providing you that show that the latter is more often than not true... but maybe not. ;)
Remember, it's all about... THE ELEMENT OF SURPRISE:
400,000 Windows users switch to Mac / Half a million switchers predicted / Significant Mac unit sales expected
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=12117
You know what you don't see? Mac users switching to windows by the hundreds of thousands, or even by the "tens".
It's sooo unheard of that microsoft had to hire one of it's own publicists to PRETEND to be a "Mac user who had switched to a windows pc":
FALSE TESTIMONIALS
http://jogin.com/weblog/archives/2002/10/15/false_testimonials
From that webpage:
"Futhermore, a Slashdot reader found that the pictured switcher is in fact a stock photo model. Since then, the author of the story has been identified as Valerie G. Mallinson, a PR-writer hired by Microsoft."
Hey, if something doesn't exist [like a Mac to pc switcher], then you have to make it up, right?
Typical microsoft lack of ethics and propagandist misinformation. But I'll bet that there were a lot of MAHI's out there who actually believed the story, until microsoft pulled it immediately after getting caught. BUT WAIT! That link I provided also has a link to a mirror of the original article. =)
http://www.scripting.com/misc/msSwitchAd/ad/windowsxp_setup.asp.html
It's because of my professional experience that I can engage anyone from the most novice user, to IT directors and programmers. Also, my extensive account management experience [you don't get jobs with major companies like Xerox and Apple by being a moron] allows me to address CEO's and CFO's, making them understand that initial cost of a computer is NOT as important as TCO [Total Cost of Ownership]. Now that they are all finding out that Macs are NOT more expensive than windows pc's, last 2-3x longer, and work reliably the entire time with security built in, and can now also LIMIT WINDOWS USEAGE to a bare minimum, "as needed only" basis, therefore minimizing their exposure to the KNOWN problems that plague the windows world, guess how hard it is for those CEO's and CFO's to quickly make the decision to make their next round of computer purchases Macs? Go ahead, guess. ;)
Hehehe... I love seeing ENTIRE departments/divisions of MAJOR companies, government/military institutions INTERNATIONALLY, and even entire INDUSTRIES dump their pc's for FAR less expensive Macs. Sorry, but as tempted as I am to name names and provide links that would BLOW YOU ALL AWAY, well... THAT'S an NDA issue that I'm not going to get involved in. Afterall, it's been proven for years that a network of 50 Macs requires as little as 1 Mac IT person, as opposed to MINIMALLY 1 IT person for every 10 pc's. That's a HUGE savings in salary to CFO's and CEO'S, and they LOVE IT! The ONLY people who HATE that fact are the "poor" [boo-hoo] dime-a-dozen "microsoft certifiable" IT "professionals". Suckaz.
Norway, maybe here on these threads, my "style" may not work as effectively [as far as you know, because switchers tend to switch announced and it only becomes a topic of discussion when you see someone who was recently using a windows computer all of a sudden using a Mac] because people like MAHI can hide behind the internet and post all of HIS MISINFORMED OPINION that he feebly tries to counter MY PROVEN FACT with, and that is reaffirmed daily by windows users who are all tired of the exact issues that I/we remind them that they are having, and that they are tired of dealing with.
Don't get me wrong people, I DO NOT disbelieve that some of you have not, or are not, having ANY of these problems. In those RARE instances [I now direct you to the software and hardware support forums right here on virtualdj.com], good for you. But the undeniable truth is that in my primarily windows computer workplace, 50% of ALL the computers sold now are Macs. PERIOD.
If you think that this is just an isolated incident at my workplace, you are sorely mistaken. Our entire chain has reported a HUGE spike in Mac sales over windows computers, even BEFORE Boot Camp, but especially SINCE Boot Camp came out 3 months ago. Best Buy's 700+ stores, and apparently now Circuit City's however many stores, are jumping on the Mac "gravytrain" too. Costco did a few months back. That European "Carrefour" supermarket franchise is all over it. All of that just compliments the BROAD AND RAPID INTERNATIONAL EXPANSION OF THE APPLE STORES that are only 5 years old and being fueled by SWITCHER DEMAND: http://www.apple.com/retail/
Here's a typical scenario I see EVERYDAY:
Former windows users come in KNOWING that they want a Mac [as opposed to just THINKING about it before Boot Camp came out] because as they put it, "why would I buy a pc if I can have a Mac and have both?".
HERE'S WHERE IT GETS GOOD:
Over 90% of the time after I talk to these customers who come in ALREADY KNOWING that they're gonna switch to a Mac because they know that they can run windows on a Mac, guess what? I help them realize that they don't need windows at all. More often than not, they find out that microsoft OFFICE is the ONLY program that they ACTUALLY NEED. Then I show them microsoft office for Mac. Same price as office for windows.
That's when they realize that they can eliminate windows alltogether and therefore all of it's problems as well... and they do. They're also EXTRA happy because I just saved them $200 - $300 dollars that they thought they were gonna have to pay for windows XP Home or Pro [pro?...lol!]. BONUS SAVINGS for them!!!
I am CONSISTENTLY the top performer [vs. ALL the windows sales people in our formerly primarily windows workplace] NOT because I can tell/sell "lies" about either Mac or windows computers, good or bad, but because the 2-4 switchers that I deal with daily KNOW that I'm telling the truth about windows' problems because they have either already encountered them, are currently encountering them, or now full well that they are going to encounter them.
Past, present, or future... windows WILL crap out. The HUGE amount of switchers we are encountering proves that.
dj-in-norway wrote :
Its better to ONLY focus on the good things about Mac, and LEAVE the bashing of Microsoft out of it.. ;)
They used to think that at work, but no more. They all now realize that the good things about Mac are that the bad things about windows don't happen. You should see the look on switcher's faces when I quickly run through the laundry list of windows problems that i tell them that I know they're having, and then tell them why tose things don't happen on Macs. They look at me like I'm somekind of psychic saviour who has looked into a crystal ball and seen what they are going through, and then... BAM!!! Switcher.
And all I did was tell them what I know based on my 16 years of experience.
Norway, I appreciate that you are trying to "help" my technique, but believe me when I tell you, that my technique works and has worked for the past 4 years. I don't "dance" around windows users' problems and talk nice about microsoft and their crappy products to be "politically correct". I don't have to. I just "shock and awe" these former lemmings with truth... and VERY often they comeback and thank me with comments like "I should have switched sooner". It happens A LOT. The best form of appreciation that I regularly get though, is when a switcher of mine comes back with a relative, friend, co-worker, etc. who has now decided to make the switch as well.
Well over 50% of my switchers end up switching someone else within 6-12 months. I'm telling you all once again, this is an unstoppable "domino" effect, and the domino's just keep falling quicker. 3 and 4 years ago, it was noticeable maybe every 6-12 months. In the past 2 years it's become noticeable every month. In the past year it's become noticeable every week, and now it's a daily occurrence.
Does anyone think that all these people are gonna suddenly stop and say, "Hey, I really miss my windows problems."? That's like saying, "You know, using a word processor is just too easy. I'm gonna go back to using a manual typewriter because using White-Out to fix my mistakes is a lot better than CMD-Z/CTRL-Z".
The majority of the COMMON public [not the people who don't mind maintaning windows and know how to do it, upgraders, gamers, etc. those are the minority when compared to the AVERAGE computer user] doesn't want to do the "one step forward, 2 steps back 'windows dance'" anymore. They want to be able to step forward and NOT look back at all. They want to progress. They want Macs. i don't care about those that don't yet or maybe never will, they have no effect on those hundreds of thousands [and growing] that do.
Again, I'll reference an excerpt from this quote from a VERY important and reputable SWITCHER who is saying what the MAJORITY of computer users are thinking:
"Winn Schwartau, one of the country's leading experts on information security, infrastructure protection and electronic privacy, summed up his first month's experiences in his conversion from Windows to Mac:
"...Do I really want all of that paranoia to go away? [referring to windows' insecurity] Do I really want to spend more time enjoying whatever the hell I do on my 'puter [using a Mac], or maybe I should continue wasting hours every week on security crap that shouldn't be a problem in the first place?" [using windows].
That is the voice of the worldwide computing public. Some just aren't even aware that Macs are an option yet, but they will be made aware in the very near future. "Word of mouth" advertising has ALWAYS been the best form of advertising and it spreads VERY quickly, and THAT is EXACTLY what is going on here, through SWITCHERS.
dj-in-norway wrote :
Think it works better, people get provoced by someone telling their OS is absolutely shit, when they use the very same OS everyday with very little problems:) So rather saying that Windows is absolutely shit (which most users here will find untrue), rather focus on good sides about the MAC OS...
Again, "gangstas don't dance, we boogie". I don't dance around KNOWN windows issues. JUST CHECK THE HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE SUPPORT FORUMS HERE ON VIRTUALDJ.COM in regards to wINDOWS problems. Un-installing and re-installing drivers, re-formatting hard drives to re-install the OS and then all of the applications including VDJ, de-fragmenting and optimizing a hard drive because of mis-allocated blocks that are slowing computers would NOT be issues if windows didn't suck so much.
When the Mac version of VDJ 4 comes out, we'll have issues and questions too. But not about why our Macs are all "F*ed up". It'll mostly be about 3rd party hardware issues that WON'T crash our Macs, but may have issues themselves.
Watch and learn, and then remember who told you all first =)
dj-in-norway wrote :
Apple's BIGGEST selling point (at least with my friends) is its design! :) Apple computers look sexy ;)
It's ONE of the biggest selling points, but not THE biggest. Yes, Apple wins design awards ALL the time [thanks to Jonathon Ives], because unlike windows box makers, they don't just shove a circuit board, a bunch of wires and notebook parts into a flimsy, plastic enclosure and call it a computer. Nor does Apple add a bunch of tacky glowing lights, unnecessary buttons, and deface it's Macs with cheap sticker advertisements.
Yeah, we switched to Intel processors. Now show me the "Intel Inside" sticker that Intel pays computer manufacturers BIG money to put on their computers, on ANY Mac. 'Nuff said.
Apple doesn't "sell out."
THE biggest selling point, is that Macs work reliably for an extended period of time with security in mind from the ground up. =)
dj-in-norway wrote :
I'll give Mac's the better stability, but reason for having PC (for me) is first of all the ease of use, access of programs .. and yes... games too ;)
Ease of use? Okay, if you say so. ;)
But THAT is another of the main reasons that so many users are switching. There is no computer that is easier to use than the ones that don't need constant maintenance [defrag/optimize because of an antiquated registry codebase], recovery from failed maintenance [un-install/re-install/re-format due to malware, etc... pick your windows issue of the day], and as quoted above, the ones that DON'T require users to "continue wasting hours every week on security crap that shouldn't be a problem in the first place?"
dj-in-norway wrote :
But MAC running Windows program sounds very nice.. ;) Kinda have to see that to believe that.. :)
Believe it.
From PC World:
"It works. Impressively well. With games, even. You can see our detailed test results below, but that's our first impression of Windows XP running under Apple's Boot Camp on our 20-inch iMac."
http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,125325,00.asp
Speaking of games... "game over", microsoft and windows. ;)
dj-in-norway wrote :
If that was ALL true, and no issues with it, why do u wait for the VDJ mac version... ;)
Are you serious?!!!
wINDOWS IS THE PROBLEM.
As soon as VDJ for Mac comes out, I will probably dump windows and not miss it one bit. It seems that windows OS wants to sell me some much needed protection software because my Mac, when in using windows XP, always seems to "be at risk".
Why is the OS trying to sell me extra protection software? If it were any good it wouldn't need it. Don't need any for my Unix based Mac. Guess Q-DOS/MS-DOS/NT Kernal aren't to reliable, huh?
Well, that's as obvious as saying that "water is wet."
I ONLY say "probably" dump windows because as I mentioned before, I'm enjoying a few pc games like Half-Life 2 and Silent Hill 4 that never came out on the Mac. I'm just waiting for PS3.
But now we don't care about titles that didn't or don't come out on Mac, since Macs now have MORE software than windows computers. ALL windows software PLUS all Mac ONLY software.
Do you see that on the horizon? It's the tide of change. ;)
发表时间 Thu 06 Jul 06 @ 3:57 pm
phillydj
wow i hope your that militant in converting other Dj's to use Vdj...lol I have been one of the fortunate ones to never have a problem on windows, but then again they support so many configurations of hardware
发表时间 Thu 06 Jul 06 @ 4:09 pm
